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		<title>Comment on Jack the Ripper Mormons by Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 13:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only tame, but dull.  

But I rather like the continuation of the assassination theme.  It sure beats &quot;Rape and Pillage Week&quot; over at By Common Consent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only tame, but dull.  </p>
<p>But I rather like the continuation of the assassination theme.  It sure beats &#8220;Rape and Pillage Week&#8221; over at By Common Consent.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pretty as a Pansy by HokieKate</title>
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		<dc:creator>HokieKate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 00:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet story. My RS book group would be scandalized by Thomas Hardy, though I adore his novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet story. My RS book group would be scandalized by Thomas Hardy, though I adore his novels.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stripling Warriors on Parade, 2012 by Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, all would be forgiven if they&#039;d fire a few cannonballs at New Jersey.  I realize it would take, as they say, a heckuva cannon to fire a shell that far, but, as Amy T suggests, what harm can come from firing cannons at New Jersey?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, all would be forgiven if they&#8217;d fire a few cannonballs at New Jersey.  I realize it would take, as they say, a heckuva cannon to fire a shell that far, but, as Amy T suggests, what harm can come from firing cannons at New Jersey?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stripling Warriors on Parade, 2012 by Cort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The early Passion plays were as much about anti-Semitism as harkening to Old Jerusalem.  That&#039;s the problem with the play acting stuff: some one is always pushing an agenda.

I agree completely with your point about sacred ordinances being a means of refocusing ourselves through ritual; the difference between something life- affirming, like baptism or the Endowment, and something odious, like Trek, is that the former uses the act to force us to make hard assessments about ourselves (am I truly worthy? Do I earnestly seek the Savior?) while the latter is designed to reinforce what wonderful,, superior beings we are. 

A few years ago, the Houston Chronicle did a story on how area church kids were spending Spring Break.  A Baptist group was going to build houses in a poor neighborhood. Another group was heading to New Orleans, for a week of Katrina cleanup. Another group was taking medical supplies to Central America.  The Mormon kids were dressing in homespun and calico, and heading to East Texas for a week of playing pioneer.

It was, to paraphrase Jedidiah Grant, a stink in my nostrils.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The early Passion plays were as much about anti-Semitism as harkening to Old Jerusalem.  That&#8217;s the problem with the play acting stuff: some one is always pushing an agenda.</p>
<p>I agree completely with your point about sacred ordinances being a means of refocusing ourselves through ritual; the difference between something life- affirming, like baptism or the Endowment, and something odious, like Trek, is that the former uses the act to force us to make hard assessments about ourselves (am I truly worthy? Do I earnestly seek the Savior?) while the latter is designed to reinforce what wonderful,, superior beings we are. </p>
<p>A few years ago, the Houston Chronicle did a story on how area church kids were spending Spring Break.  A Baptist group was going to build houses in a poor neighborhood. Another group was heading to New Orleans, for a week of Katrina cleanup. Another group was taking medical supplies to Central America.  The Mormon kids were dressing in homespun and calico, and heading to East Texas for a week of playing pioneer.</p>
<p>It was, to paraphrase Jedidiah Grant, a stink in my nostrils.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stripling Warriors on Parade, 2012 by Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t go nearly that far, Cort; reenactment is an ingrained, ancient way of putting yourself in the other guy&#039;s shoes to gain insider understanding. Baptism, the sacrament, aspects of the temple ritual are such reenactments. Other bits of playacting -- a Nativity pageant, little kids decorating red wagons with canvas tops and marching around the parking lot -- are helpful in teaching and absolutely not harmful. I&#039;d put the Hill Cumorah and similar pageants in the grown-up division of the same category. I don&#039;t even mind handcart treks (when they&#039;re well managed and when some of the worst elements of exaggeration are trimmed). Reenactments of the Revolution, or Civil War, or Mountain Man Rendezvous, or Society for Creative Anachronism -- for the most part (when they don&#039;t provide excuses for a week-long drinking binge and orgy, or the occasional feeding of an individual&#039;s sadistic, authoritarian tendencies) I think are great -- not harmful.

I wouldn&#039;t even especially mind the Stripling Warrior march so much, if it weren&#039;t for the way every twitch of a Mormon eyebrow is being analyzed and interpreted by pundits around the world at the moment. I don&#039;t like the visual this creates -- it takes little imagination to foresee an out-of-context use of film clips as justification for classifying Mormonism a cult in certain parts of the world, as well as the ridicule it will engender: If footage of the &quot;toga clad, stick stomping, unisonlike marching YM&quot; doesn&#039;t show up as B-roll behind Bill Maher and Lawrence O&#039;Donnell and any number of Bible-thumpin&#039; Christian broadcasters, then such spokesmen are stupider than they look.

But it&#039;s going to happen, apparently. I&#039;ve expressed my unhappiness over that here, and there&#039;s nothing more I can do but cringe and hope for the best. I&#039;m certainly not going to go the route of condemning &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; Mormon-themed playacting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t go nearly that far, Cort; reenactment is an ingrained, ancient way of putting yourself in the other guy&#8217;s shoes to gain insider understanding. Baptism, the sacrament, aspects of the temple ritual are such reenactments. Other bits of playacting &#8212; a Nativity pageant, little kids decorating red wagons with canvas tops and marching around the parking lot &#8212; are helpful in teaching and absolutely not harmful. I&#8217;d put the Hill Cumorah and similar pageants in the grown-up division of the same category. I don&#8217;t even mind handcart treks (when they&#8217;re well managed and when some of the worst elements of exaggeration are trimmed). Reenactments of the Revolution, or Civil War, or Mountain Man Rendezvous, or Society for Creative Anachronism &#8212; for the most part (when they don&#8217;t provide excuses for a week-long drinking binge and orgy, or the occasional feeding of an individual&#8217;s sadistic, authoritarian tendencies) I think are great &#8212; not harmful.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t even especially mind the Stripling Warrior march so much, if it weren&#8217;t for the way every twitch of a Mormon eyebrow is being analyzed and interpreted by pundits around the world at the moment. I don&#8217;t like the visual this creates &#8212; it takes little imagination to foresee an out-of-context use of film clips as justification for classifying Mormonism a cult in certain parts of the world, as well as the ridicule it will engender: If footage of the &#8220;toga clad, stick stomping, unisonlike marching YM&#8221; doesn&#8217;t show up as B-roll behind Bill Maher and Lawrence O&#8217;Donnell and any number of Bible-thumpin&#8217; Christian broadcasters, then such spokesmen are stupider than they look.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s going to happen, apparently. I&#8217;ve expressed my unhappiness over that here, and there&#8217;s nothing more I can do but cringe and hope for the best. I&#8217;m certainly not going to go the route of condemning <em>all</em> Mormon-themed playacting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stripling Warriors on Parade, 2012 by Cort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I&#039;d playing dress-up is the only truly reliable means of gaining an understanding of a subject, then the only people on earth who truly understand the Atonement are those Filipino guys who nail themselves to crosses every Good Friday.

All of it - Trek, The Hill Cumorah Pageant, stripling warrior fandangos -- is dangerous, and destructive, because it replaces the difficult business of cultivating faith with pointless sacrifice and empty spectacle.  It is a colossal waste of time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I&#8217;d playing dress-up is the only truly reliable means of gaining an understanding of a subject, then the only people on earth who truly understand the Atonement are those Filipino guys who nail themselves to crosses every Good Friday.</p>
<p>All of it &#8211; Trek, The Hill Cumorah Pageant, stripling warrior fandangos &#8212; is dangerous, and destructive, because it replaces the difficult business of cultivating faith with pointless sacrifice and empty spectacle.  It is a colossal waste of time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stripling Warriors on Parade, 2012 by Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here on the eastern side of the United States, if people want to dress up in military gear, they join a local group and do Civil War or Revolutionary War reenactments, or they dress up as Benjamin Franklin or Betsy Ross and lead tours, or volunteer at local Washington-slept-here county museums. There isn&#039;t much of that sort of thing in Utah to take care of the need of certain types of people to dress up, which might explain it breaking out in this kind of an event.

I guess since I&#039;m used to going places like Washington Crossing and watching the re-enactors fire cannons at New Jersey (a rather harmless pursuit), I can&#039;t make myself get too bent out of shape about this, and I don&#039;t imagine that media types, who are probably also used to events of this sort, would get too bent out of shape about it, either, unless they wanted to make some sort of political point. But I could be wrong. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here on the eastern side of the United States, if people want to dress up in military gear, they join a local group and do Civil War or Revolutionary War reenactments, or they dress up as Benjamin Franklin or Betsy Ross and lead tours, or volunteer at local Washington-slept-here county museums. There isn&#8217;t much of that sort of thing in Utah to take care of the need of certain types of people to dress up, which might explain it breaking out in this kind of an event.</p>
<p>I guess since I&#8217;m used to going places like Washington Crossing and watching the re-enactors fire cannons at New Jersey (a rather harmless pursuit), I can&#8217;t make myself get too bent out of shape about this, and I don&#8217;t imagine that media types, who are probably also used to events of this sort, would get too bent out of shape about it, either, unless they wanted to make some sort of political point. But I could be wrong. : )</p>
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		<title>Comment on In Her Own Words: Muriel Olive Mason Cuthbert, 1958 by lindberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 19:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  What a great story!  Thank you, Ardis!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  What a great story!  Thank you, Ardis!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pretty as a Pansy by Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eternal principles can be lived and taught in any setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eternal principles can be lived and taught in any setting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pretty as a Pansy by David R</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 18:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a bygone era ... 56 years later, the closest to cooking by a teen-age girl (or boy) would be nuking something in the microwave.  My experience is that most teens don&#039;t know how to cook something on the stove from scratch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a bygone era &#8230; 56 years later, the closest to cooking by a teen-age girl (or boy) would be nuking something in the microwave.  My experience is that most teens don&#8217;t know how to cook something on the stove from scratch.</p>
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