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	<title>Comments on: Not Bread Alone: Chapter 7</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278872</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2012 06:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, thank you for answering the real question I was asking. I felt okay asking in this context because it could be approached through a fictional character who is shown to be a positive citizen. I haven&#039;t read Quinn&#039;s book, and have no desire to. People are people for me. We all make the best choices we can with what we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, thank you for answering the real question I was asking. I felt okay asking in this context because it could be approached through a fictional character who is shown to be a positive citizen. I haven&#8217;t read Quinn&#8217;s book, and have no desire to. People are people for me. We all make the best choices we can with what we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278142</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 04:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know, Julia. For one thing, I don&#039;t think homosexuality was always as clearly defined a social division the way it is now; for another, every family had bachelor uncles and maiden aunts, and they certainly weren&#039;t all gay. My aunt Evelyn, for instance, was sometimes referred to in our family as our maiden aunt; she wasn&#039;t gay, and we didn&#039;t intend to imply that she was. If those were standard designations for gays, then what did people call family members who were unmarried and straight?  

I&#039;ve read Quinn&#039;s Same Sex Dynamics and am convinced that he is wrong -- slanderously wrong -- about several of the people in Mormon history he wrote about (Evan Stephens may or may not have been gay;  he most certainly was not the predator that Quinn paints him), and that&#039;s really the only scholarly thing I&#039;ve read on the topic.

Please, readers, do not defend Quinn here, or abuse Stephens&#039;s memory, or carry on this thread. It&#039;s fine to raise it, Julia, but I&#039;ll delete further comments by others.  If you have exactly what Julia needs to answer her question, send it to me privately -- I&#039;ll pass it on, or summarize it here, but I don&#039;t want to open Keepa to what could potentially follow from this question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know, Julia. For one thing, I don&#8217;t think homosexuality was always as clearly defined a social division the way it is now; for another, every family had bachelor uncles and maiden aunts, and they certainly weren&#8217;t all gay. My aunt Evelyn, for instance, was sometimes referred to in our family as our maiden aunt; she wasn&#8217;t gay, and we didn&#8217;t intend to imply that she was. If those were standard designations for gays, then what did people call family members who were unmarried and straight?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read Quinn&#8217;s Same Sex Dynamics and am convinced that he is wrong &#8212; slanderously wrong &#8212; about several of the people in Mormon history he wrote about (Evan Stephens may or may not have been gay;  he most certainly was not the predator that Quinn paints him), and that&#8217;s really the only scholarly thing I&#8217;ve read on the topic.</p>
<p>Please, readers, do not defend Quinn here, or abuse Stephens&#8217;s memory, or carry on this thread. It&#8217;s fine to raise it, Julia, but I&#8217;ll delete further comments by others.  If you have exactly what Julia needs to answer her question, send it to me privately &#8212; I&#8217;ll pass it on, or summarize it here, but I don&#8217;t want to open Keepa to what could potentially follow from this question.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278140</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And in #7, when I say explained, it really only gave the words the initials stood for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And in #7, when I say explained, it really only gave the words the initials stood for.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278138</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and is it just me or does Ed sound more manipulative than contrite?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and is it just me or does Ed sound more manipulative than contrite?</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-278128</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope this isn&#039;t out of line Ardis. If it is, feel free to delete it. 

In that time period, were homosexuals usually referred to as bachelor uncles and maiden aunts? I was reading an article about an organization in Portland, in the 30s and 40s, named BUMA, that sponsored social events. In trying to look it up, I found very little, but there was a reference in an article about the first Gay Pride parade, where BUMA was cited as a sponsor, and the initials explained. It is the only place I have found which explains the initials. 

In rereading chapter 1 because of Kevin&#039;s comment, I wondered if her uncle&#039;s understanding of love might have been for another man, rather than a woman who did not love him in return. A completely side ramble, but I was wondered in the pre-same sex attraction language, if Mormons had a side language way of referring to men and women who were homosexual and not interested or able to enter into a mixed orientation marriage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this isn&#8217;t out of line Ardis. If it is, feel free to delete it. </p>
<p>In that time period, were homosexuals usually referred to as bachelor uncles and maiden aunts? I was reading an article about an organization in Portland, in the 30s and 40s, named BUMA, that sponsored social events. In trying to look it up, I found very little, but there was a reference in an article about the first Gay Pride parade, where BUMA was cited as a sponsor, and the initials explained. It is the only place I have found which explains the initials. </p>
<p>In rereading chapter 1 because of Kevin&#8217;s comment, I wondered if her uncle&#8217;s understanding of love might have been for another man, rather than a woman who did not love him in return. A completely side ramble, but I was wondered in the pre-same sex attraction language, if Mormons had a side language way of referring to men and women who were homosexual and not interested or able to enter into a mixed orientation marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@#4 Har har!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@#4 Har har!</p>
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		<title>By: Coffinberry</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-277962</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffinberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh my gosh... &#039;bout blew my pen out of my mouth when I read that one. Not that my pen belonged in my mouth, but it was a handy place to put it while I type with two hands.

Hen &amp; Lin would be in trouble nowadays with their planting of an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/plants/russolive.shtml#.UHxbUW-HJ8E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;invasive species&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my gosh&#8230; &#8217;bout blew my pen out of my mouth when I read that one. Not that my pen belonged in my mouth, but it was a handy place to put it while I type with two hands.</p>
<p>Hen &amp; Lin would be in trouble nowadays with their planting of an <a href="http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/plants/russolive.shtml#.UHxbUW-HJ8E" rel="nofollow">invasive species</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-277948</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...feeding it on currants and wiregrass?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;feeding it on currants and wiregrass?</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-277935</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Sam Potter, whose mother kept the one telephone in town, poked his head in at the door.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I have this vision in &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; head of a woman herding a phone around the garden, shepherdess&#039;s crook in her hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sam Potter, whose mother kept the one telephone in town, poked his head in at the door.</p></blockquote>
<p>I have this vision in <em>my</em> head of a woman herding a phone around the garden, shepherdess&#8217;s crook in her hand.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/15/not-bread-alone-chapter-7/comment-page-1/#comment-277893</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, this line from Episode I, Linda speaking to her Uncle Peter:

&lt;blockquote&gt;“But I know about my father, Uncle Peter – that he wasn’t the kind of man Mommy could go on with.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, this line from Episode I, Linda speaking to her Uncle Peter:</p>
<blockquote><p>“But I know about my father, Uncle Peter – that he wasn’t the kind of man Mommy could go on with.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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