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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Ann Horrocks Marsh: &#8220;Barely Escaping with Her Life&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/02/guest-post-ann-horrocks-marsh-barely-escaping-with-her-life/comment-page-1/#comment-273136</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 17:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amy:  Thanks for your interest and information.  I know very little about the context and your sources are very helpful.  (1)  I have not seen any family reference to the &quot;Chartists,&quot; but will now keep my eyes open for references.  (2)  Three of Ann Marsh&#039;s daughters married into the Ogden family which were also from Lancashire and worked in the textile mills.  Their younger brother, Joseph Ogden, wrote about the Ogden family’s work in the mills and the problems because of the American Civil War.  I could send you a copy if you are interested.  Ann herself was married to a baker in Bolton and was not working in the textile mills during the famine, but she would have had family and friends who were affected.  Also her husband’s business must have been affected.  (3)  We don’t know where Ann worked, but the Ogden family worked for a “Mr. Ashworth.”  Joseph Ogden wrote:  “There were 1,000 looms in one room. Father ran four of them, James three, Mary Ann three, Thomas, three and Jane two. William worked in the warehouse and John in the cotton mills.”  Joseph also tells of the things they did outside of work to raise money so they could go to America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy:  Thanks for your interest and information.  I know very little about the context and your sources are very helpful.  (1)  I have not seen any family reference to the &#8220;Chartists,&#8221; but will now keep my eyes open for references.  (2)  Three of Ann Marsh&#8217;s daughters married into the Ogden family which were also from Lancashire and worked in the textile mills.  Their younger brother, Joseph Ogden, wrote about the Ogden family’s work in the mills and the problems because of the American Civil War.  I could send you a copy if you are interested.  Ann herself was married to a baker in Bolton and was not working in the textile mills during the famine, but she would have had family and friends who were affected.  Also her husband’s business must have been affected.  (3)  We don’t know where Ann worked, but the Ogden family worked for a “Mr. Ashworth.”  Joseph Ogden wrote:  “There were 1,000 looms in one room. Father ran four of them, James three, Mary Ann three, Thomas, three and Jane two. William worked in the warehouse and John in the cotton mills.”  Joseph also tells of the things they did outside of work to raise money so they could go to America.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/10/02/guest-post-ann-horrocks-marsh-barely-escaping-with-her-life/comment-page-1/#comment-273059</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2012 13:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very cool, Jeff. Having recently done a project involving some other converts to the Church who worked in the Lancashire textile mills, here are a few random notes/questions.

First, are there any known Horrocks family connections to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chartists.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chartists&lt;/a&gt;?

Second, Ann left England in 1872, which means that she lived through the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashire_Cotton_Famine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lancashire Cotton Famine&lt;/a&gt; which was triggered by the American Civil War and put up to 60 percent of the textile labor force out of work. How did the family weather those difficult times?

Third, any clues as to where she worked? It may or may not be evident from census or other records. Some of those textile mills are still standing and are run as museums.

Fourth, for an interesting view of what her life might have been like, I&#039;d recommend the miniseries &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_%26_South_%28TV_serial%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;North &amp; South&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; starring Richard Armitage and others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very cool, Jeff. Having recently done a project involving some other converts to the Church who worked in the Lancashire textile mills, here are a few random notes/questions.</p>
<p>First, are there any known Horrocks family connections to the <a href="http://www.chartists.net/" rel="nofollow">Chartists</a>?</p>
<p>Second, Ann left England in 1872, which means that she lived through the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancashire_Cotton_Famine" rel="nofollow">Lancashire Cotton Famine</a> which was triggered by the American Civil War and put up to 60 percent of the textile labor force out of work. How did the family weather those difficult times?</p>
<p>Third, any clues as to where she worked? It may or may not be evident from census or other records. Some of those textile mills are still standing and are run as museums.</p>
<p>Fourth, for an interesting view of what her life might have been like, I&#8217;d recommend the miniseries <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_%26_South_%28TV_serial%29" rel="nofollow">North &amp; South</a></em> starring Richard Armitage and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 20:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amy:  &quot;...The Horrocks family lived in the vicinity of the textile industry…  Ann started to work at about eight years of age.  Her first job, as her nephews and nieces remembered her telling them, was &quot;minding the spindles.&quot;  She watched the thread as the weaving went on.  If the thread broke, she was to have the machine stopped and retie the thread so as to avoid a flaw in the finished cloth...&quot;  This is a quote from a history written by a granddaughter.  I have been telling people we don&#039;t know much about her, but it seems we can pick up alot of material here and there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy:  &#8220;&#8230;The Horrocks family lived in the vicinity of the textile industry…  Ann started to work at about eight years of age.  Her first job, as her nephews and nieces remembered her telling them, was &#8220;minding the spindles.&#8221;  She watched the thread as the weaving went on.  If the thread broke, she was to have the machine stopped and retie the thread so as to avoid a flaw in the finished cloth&#8230;&#8221;  This is a quote from a history written by a granddaughter.  I have been telling people we don&#8217;t know much about her, but it seems we can pick up alot of material here and there.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She sounds like quite a woman! Did Ann spend her early years working in the mills in Lancashire, or was she from an agricultural background? In either case, it sounds like she was a good hard worker.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She sounds like quite a woman! Did Ann spend her early years working in the mills in Lancashire, or was she from an agricultural background? In either case, it sounds like she was a good hard worker.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, I read in one of the several histories that &quot;Ann Marsh could kill, clean and cook a chicken in an hour.&quot; Now that&#039;s a skill sadly lacking in the present day camp kitchen!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, I read in one of the several histories that &#8220;Ann Marsh could kill, clean and cook a chicken in an hour.&#8221; Now that&#8217;s a skill sadly lacking in the present day camp kitchen!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2012 05:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A history of Margaret Marsh Gurr written with input from several members of her family says:

“…One bright Sunday afternoon in July 1912, while the people were enjoying Sacrament meeting [in Pacheco], a runner came up from Juarez with a message which was for everyone to leave for the United States.  He told them to just take one trunk and one roll of bedding per family, and to all gather at the public square Tuesday morning by sun-up...Chicken coop doors and corral gates were opened that the animals might go free.  Prayers were said, the doors closed, and they left for the public square.  Instructions were given the people by the Bishop and again prayer was offered in the group, and one by one the wagons pulled out and formed a line…When the wagon train was out a few miles from home, a band of Mexicans rode up and stopped it. They were checking for fire arms. Some of the men had their guns with them, but they were cleverly hidden. Had the Mexicans found them, some of the group may have lost their lives. It was with a sigh of relief and a prayer of thankfulness in their hearts when the Mexicans rode away. The wagon train wended its way through the mountains and down a very rough, San Diego Canyon, across the flats to Dub1an where they boarded a train and was taken to E1 Paso, Texas. The first place they stayed was in a big lumber yard shed which was cleaned out to accommodate the refugees. Each family was given a section to stay in. Quilts and canvasses were hung up for partitions, to get what privacy they could….It looked like the people weren&#039;t going to get back to their homes, so the government offered to send them anywhere in the United States they would like to go…They travelled by train to Richfield, Sevier County, Utah, where they were greeted by many relatives and friends. They never did get to go back to their home in Old Mexico…”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A history of Margaret Marsh Gurr written with input from several members of her family says:</p>
<p>“…One bright Sunday afternoon in July 1912, while the people were enjoying Sacrament meeting [in Pacheco], a runner came up from Juarez with a message which was for everyone to leave for the United States.  He told them to just take one trunk and one roll of bedding per family, and to all gather at the public square Tuesday morning by sun-up&#8230;Chicken coop doors and corral gates were opened that the animals might go free.  Prayers were said, the doors closed, and they left for the public square.  Instructions were given the people by the Bishop and again prayer was offered in the group, and one by one the wagons pulled out and formed a line…When the wagon train was out a few miles from home, a band of Mexicans rode up and stopped it. They were checking for fire arms. Some of the men had their guns with them, but they were cleverly hidden. Had the Mexicans found them, some of the group may have lost their lives. It was with a sigh of relief and a prayer of thankfulness in their hearts when the Mexicans rode away. The wagon train wended its way through the mountains and down a very rough, San Diego Canyon, across the flats to Dub1an where they boarded a train and was taken to E1 Paso, Texas. The first place they stayed was in a big lumber yard shed which was cleaned out to accommodate the refugees. Each family was given a section to stay in. Quilts and canvasses were hung up for partitions, to get what privacy they could….It looked like the people weren&#8217;t going to get back to their homes, so the government offered to send them anywhere in the United States they would like to go…They travelled by train to Richfield, Sevier County, Utah, where they were greeted by many relatives and friends. They never did get to go back to their home in Old Mexico…”</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 22:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way ...

I posted this bit on Facebook last week because I thought it was funny:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Birmingham (England) Daily Post, 5 Sept. 1872: &quot;Yesterday no fewer than five hundred and ninety Mormons left Liverpool for New York, en route for Utah. If, therefore, any husband has to mourn the loss of a truant wife, he may adapt the refrain of a song very popular at the music halls, and say -- &#039;Perhaps she&#039;s on the railway, perhaps she&#039;s on the sea, perhaps she&#039;s gone to Brigham Young, a Mormonite to be.&#039;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To which Jeff added:

&lt;blockquote&gt;My ancestor, Ann Horrocks Marsh and her four daughters, left Liverpool on 4 September 1872, sailing on the &quot;Minnesota.&quot; Elder Thomas Dobson, a returning missionary, served as the group leader for 203 Mormons.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It just seems appropriate to memorialize that here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way &#8230;</p>
<p>I posted this bit on Facebook last week because I thought it was funny:</p>
<blockquote><p>Birmingham (England) Daily Post, 5 Sept. 1872: &#8220;Yesterday no fewer than five hundred and ninety Mormons left Liverpool for New York, en route for Utah. If, therefore, any husband has to mourn the loss of a truant wife, he may adapt the refrain of a song very popular at the music halls, and say &#8212; &#8216;Perhaps she&#8217;s on the railway, perhaps she&#8217;s on the sea, perhaps she&#8217;s gone to Brigham Young, a Mormonite to be.&#8217;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>To which Jeff added:</p>
<blockquote><p>My ancestor, Ann Horrocks Marsh and her four daughters, left Liverpool on 4 September 1872, sailing on the &#8220;Minnesota.&#8221; Elder Thomas Dobson, a returning missionary, served as the group leader for 203 Mormons.</p></blockquote>
<p>It just seems appropriate to memorialize that here.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 16:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations on a nice find, Jeff, and and  great post.  Too bad we can&#039;t have something from Ann&#039;s escape from the Mexican Revolution, which was quite a story as well.  She seems to have a knack of &quot;getting out just in time.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on a nice find, Jeff, and and  great post.  Too bad we can&#8217;t have something from Ann&#8217;s escape from the Mexican Revolution, which was quite a story as well.  She seems to have a knack of &#8220;getting out just in time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Bergera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Bergera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad to see Jeff posting. Let&#039;s keep our fingers crossed for more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see Jeff posting. Let&#8217;s keep our fingers crossed for more!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, Thanks for finding this great story.   With a good raging forest fire behind them Ann and her daughters no doubt set record times for the 5K!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, Thanks for finding this great story.   With a good raging forest fire behind them Ann and her daughters no doubt set record times for the 5K!</p>
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