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	<title>Comments on: Eminent Women: Matilda Hoffman and Eliza Brace Lund, Part 1</title>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 11:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff -- I&#039;m glad you said something -- it reminds me that there&#039;s a single man in the family of today&#039;s St. George woman. I&#039;ll send you a note about him.

About the sealing -- I personally find this practice misguided. Although sentimental and romantic on the surface, sealing someone to a person he or she was not married to is not the prerogative or privilege or responsibility of anyone, with the exception of the President of the Church who holds the keys to the sealing power.

Did Wilford Woodruff do the sealing of Irving and Hoffman in 1896? It&#039;s possible -- he was around, of course -- but Irving was both famous and beloved, so practically anyone attending the temple could have had the sealing done. Both Irving and Hoffman were rebaptized at the same time in 1896, so I&#039;d suspect it wasn&#039;t Wilford Woodruff, but I don&#039;t have access to the actual temple records to be able to see.

After 1896, the next spate of ordinances for Irving and Hoffman was in 1994. Their sealing was repeated three times that year. That was a striking data cluster, so I looked and saw that that was the year the book &lt;em&gt;The Other Eminent Men of Wilford Woodruff&lt;/em&gt; was published.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff &#8212; I&#8217;m glad you said something &#8212; it reminds me that there&#8217;s a single man in the family of today&#8217;s St. George woman. I&#8217;ll send you a note about him.</p>
<p>About the sealing &#8212; I personally find this practice misguided. Although sentimental and romantic on the surface, sealing someone to a person he or she was not married to is not the prerogative or privilege or responsibility of anyone, with the exception of the President of the Church who holds the keys to the sealing power.</p>
<p>Did Wilford Woodruff do the sealing of Irving and Hoffman in 1896? It&#8217;s possible &#8212; he was around, of course &#8212; but Irving was both famous and beloved, so practically anyone attending the temple could have had the sealing done. Both Irving and Hoffman were rebaptized at the same time in 1896, so I&#8217;d suspect it wasn&#8217;t Wilford Woodruff, but I don&#8217;t have access to the actual temple records to be able to see.</p>
<p>After 1896, the next spate of ordinances for Irving and Hoffman was in 1994. Their sealing was repeated three times that year. That was a striking data cluster, so I looked and saw that that was the year the book <em>The Other Eminent Men of Wilford Woodruff</em> was published.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 04:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a single man I have a different point of view.  It seems that modern people cannot “leave well enough alone” and allow a man who has chosen to remain single all his life to stay that way after his death.  I have noticed other cases that people have found a need to look around for a woman they can seal to their single male relatives.  I think we should let people choose their relationship even after they are dead.  Probably Wilford Woodruff with his many wives could not imagine that some men would rather be single.  We can never be sure why Irving never married, but that was his choice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a single man I have a different point of view.  It seems that modern people cannot “leave well enough alone” and allow a man who has chosen to remain single all his life to stay that way after his death.  I have noticed other cases that people have found a need to look around for a woman they can seal to their single male relatives.  I think we should let people choose their relationship even after they are dead.  Probably Wilford Woodruff with his many wives could not imagine that some men would rather be single.  We can never be sure why Irving never married, but that was his choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 19:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a great (and tragic) story!  And cheers to Wilford Woodruff for choosing to have her temple work done.

(Now I better go read Irving&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Life of George Washington&lt;/em&gt; that has been sitting on my shelf for 20 years since I found it at a used book shop.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great (and tragic) story!  And cheers to Wilford Woodruff for choosing to have her temple work done.</p>
<p>(Now I better go read Irving&#8217;s <em>Life of George Washington</em> that has been sitting on my shelf for 20 years since I found it at a used book shop.)</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 18:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The anguish that attended its catastrophe seemed to give a turn to my whole character, and throw some clouds into my disposition which have ever since hung about it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess that&#039;s why they call them &quot;life-changing events.&quot;  One of the things I look forward to in the hereafter is learning a little about why these sort of events happen to us. (Really, why one or two have happened to me...)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The anguish that attended its catastrophe seemed to give a turn to my whole character, and throw some clouds into my disposition which have ever since hung about it.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s why they call them &#8220;life-changing events.&#8221;  One of the things I look forward to in the hereafter is learning a little about why these sort of events happen to us. (Really, why one or two have happened to me&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Have they been sealed? Of course.

They were first sealed in 1896. Matilda showed up in Family Tree (the newer version of NewFamilySearch) as &quot;Mrs Washington Irving.&quot; A descendant of Washington Irving&#039;s sister has put a puzzled, lengthy note in Washington Irving&#039;s entry with information about Washington and Matilda not being married. I wrote a similar but brief note for Matilda&#039;s entry and have removed the &quot;Mrs Washington Irving&quot; bit from her list of alternate names.

And, bother, I should add the disclaimer here as I have done in the past that the Church policy is, and has been for many decades, to arrange the temple work for our own families, and for close friends with permission of their immediate families.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they been sealed? Of course.</p>
<p>They were first sealed in 1896. Matilda showed up in Family Tree (the newer version of NewFamilySearch) as &#8220;Mrs Washington Irving.&#8221; A descendant of Washington Irving&#8217;s sister has put a puzzled, lengthy note in Washington Irving&#8217;s entry with information about Washington and Matilda not being married. I wrote a similar but brief note for Matilda&#8217;s entry and have removed the &#8220;Mrs Washington Irving&#8221; bit from her list of alternate names.</p>
<p>And, bother, I should add the disclaimer here as I have done in the past that the Church policy is, and has been for many decades, to arrange the temple work for our own families, and for close friends with permission of their immediate families.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Romantic is right! 

Washington Irving was probably the most beloved American author of the time. If all you&#039;ve ever read of his is &quot;The Legend of Sleepy Hollow&quot; -- which was based, by the way on a line or two found in his &lt;em&gt;History of New York by Diedrich Knickerbocker&lt;/em&gt; mentioned above -- and &quot;Rip Van Winkle,&quot; you&#039;re really missing out on some of the great tales of American literature. A very good collection is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Tales-Washington-Irving/dp/0306808404&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Complete Tales of Washington Irving&lt;/a&gt;. It includes the curiosities and treasures of the early Dutch settlers of New York, the pure magic of the Alhambra tales, the story of the German student (a horror story I heard recycled during my youth without attribution to Irving) and many others. He was a masterful story-teller.

Irving was such an overwhelmingly influential figure in early American literature, due to both his stories and to the histories he wrote, and that made it hard to make this post mostly about Matilda, but the fact remains that she would have been barely remembered, just a name in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://archive.org/details/genealogyofhoffm00hoff&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;History of the Hoffman Family&lt;/a&gt;, if she and Washington Irving hadn&#039;t fallen in love with each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romantic is right! </p>
<p>Washington Irving was probably the most beloved American author of the time. If all you&#8217;ve ever read of his is &#8220;The Legend of Sleepy Hollow&#8221; &#8212; which was based, by the way on a line or two found in his <em>History of New York by Diedrich Knickerbocker</em> mentioned above &#8212; and &#8220;Rip Van Winkle,&#8221; you&#8217;re really missing out on some of the great tales of American literature. A very good collection is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/The-Complete-Tales-Washington-Irving/dp/0306808404" rel="nofollow">The Complete Tales of Washington Irving</a>. It includes the curiosities and treasures of the early Dutch settlers of New York, the pure magic of the Alhambra tales, the story of the German student (a horror story I heard recycled during my youth without attribution to Irving) and many others. He was a masterful story-teller.</p>
<p>Irving was such an overwhelmingly influential figure in early American literature, due to both his stories and to the histories he wrote, and that made it hard to make this post mostly about Matilda, but the fact remains that she would have been barely remembered, just a name in the <a href="http://archive.org/details/genealogyofhoffm00hoff" rel="nofollow">History of the Hoffman Family</a>, if she and Washington Irving hadn&#8217;t fallen in love with each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Glauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Glauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 15:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was going to end with, &quot;and he had the two sealed&quot; and was shocked ahead of time. Has that ever been done--have two deceased persons who were never able to marry been sealed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was going to end with, &#8220;and he had the two sealed&#8221; and was shocked ahead of time. Has that ever been done&#8211;have two deceased persons who were never able to marry been sealed?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2012 14:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Americans (others?) have sometimes paid quite a lot of attention to unfulfilled romances (Lincoln&#039;s alleged love of Ann Rutledge; George Washington&#039;s rumored courtship of Sally Fairfax). It brings out the little-r romantic in me to think that Matilda was selected for this early temple program because of her romantic relationship to a famous figure. I have something in common with Wilford Woodruff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans (others?) have sometimes paid quite a lot of attention to unfulfilled romances (Lincoln&#8217;s alleged love of Ann Rutledge; George Washington&#8217;s rumored courtship of Sally Fairfax). It brings out the little-r romantic in me to think that Matilda was selected for this early temple program because of her romantic relationship to a famous figure. I have something in common with Wilford Woodruff!</p>
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