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	<title>Comments on: A Daughter of Martha: Chapter 8</title>
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		<title>By: Mommie Dearest</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224616</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommie Dearest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 20:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, any time these stories get some well-earned TomServo/Crow-like commentary from the keepaninnies, it doesn&#039;t make me less interested in following the story. The keepa system works for me, comments from the peanut gallery and all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, any time these stories get some well-earned TomServo/Crow-like commentary from the keepaninnies, it doesn&#8217;t make me less interested in following the story. The keepa system works for me, comments from the peanut gallery and all.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224593</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 17:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all the grief I&#039;ve laid at Ivy Williams Stone&#039;s feet, I have to say that I agree with Gloria as the prime character, as a glimpse into our history.  That really is the point of these stories, and if nothing else, they have value as artifacts, and are worthy of our notice.  I am sure that the more noble characteristics of Gloria were what influenced the Improvement Era editors to publish the story, not its literary qualities.  And really, what is significant is how little may have changed.  We don&#039;t get fiction in the Ensign these days, but from what I have seen in the Children&#039;s Friend, and the Era for youth (although I haven&#039;t read one of those for a few years, so I don&#039;t know if they still do fiction there), story and literary quality certainly takes second place to what someone could potentially learn from these stories.

Today, we cringe over the obvious racist undertones of some of this stuff, but Gloria was industrious, hard working, simple, did not really get consumed with revenge, and endured to the end.  Ultimately, nothing she did was ever about selfishness, but always about others, and their happiness and welfare.  If you are trying to encourage that kind of behavior in your readership, then this makes total sense.

My problem is that I am too much of a fan of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mst3k.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mystery Science Theater 3000&lt;/a&gt;, and can&#039;t help myself sometimes when something is so over the top out there.  This story ended well, but the path to get there had more twists and bad smells than the London sewers.  However, any time you want to throw up a Sister Stone Serial, I am so there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all the grief I&#8217;ve laid at Ivy Williams Stone&#8217;s feet, I have to say that I agree with Gloria as the prime character, as a glimpse into our history.  That really is the point of these stories, and if nothing else, they have value as artifacts, and are worthy of our notice.  I am sure that the more noble characteristics of Gloria were what influenced the Improvement Era editors to publish the story, not its literary qualities.  And really, what is significant is how little may have changed.  We don&#8217;t get fiction in the Ensign these days, but from what I have seen in the Children&#8217;s Friend, and the Era for youth (although I haven&#8217;t read one of those for a few years, so I don&#8217;t know if they still do fiction there), story and literary quality certainly takes second place to what someone could potentially learn from these stories.</p>
<p>Today, we cringe over the obvious racist undertones of some of this stuff, but Gloria was industrious, hard working, simple, did not really get consumed with revenge, and endured to the end.  Ultimately, nothing she did was ever about selfishness, but always about others, and their happiness and welfare.  If you are trying to encourage that kind of behavior in your readership, then this makes total sense.</p>
<p>My problem is that I am too much of a fan of <a href="http://www.mst3k.com/" rel="nofollow">Mystery Science Theater 3000</a>, and can&#8217;t help myself sometimes when something is so over the top out there.  This story ended well, but the path to get there had more twists and bad smells than the London sewers.  However, any time you want to throw up a Sister Stone Serial, I am so there.</p>
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		<title>By: iguacufalls</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224429</link>
		<dc:creator>iguacufalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 23:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve figured out what this story reminds me of:  If someone took Follow Me, Boys, and took out all the uplifting Boy Scout stuff, and all of the &quot;Here&#039;s how the main character influenced all these people over time&quot; stuff and showed only the main character&#039;s most depressing moments until the very end, you&#039;d have Daughter of Martha.  Sort of?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve figured out what this story reminds me of:  If someone took Follow Me, Boys, and took out all the uplifting Boy Scout stuff, and all of the &#8220;Here&#8217;s how the main character influenced all these people over time&#8221; stuff and showed only the main character&#8217;s most depressing moments until the very end, you&#8217;d have Daughter of Martha.  Sort of?</p>
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		<title>By: Mommie Dearest</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224423</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommie Dearest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;step into the world of our ancestors...&quot;

I enjoyed this serial as well, more than her other one (remember all the irritatingly noble souls stumbling through their misguided lovesick behavior in the South Pacific?) because it was a straightforward and engaging report of what life was like for this small group of people. Gloria was noble enough in sensible ways, at least, they made sense to me. It was easy to forgive the obvious ploys, like the diamonds in the gourds, in order to see the real surprises in the behavior of her characters, against the backdrop of daily life in Deseret that she created, and showed us small, ordinary things that I found interesting and noteworthy. Dare I make a list? The tasks that Gloria learned to do to make life bearable and comfortable, the almost unquestioned authority that husbands had over wives and children, the detailed descriptions of way she ran her household, and the things she provided that each member cherished, and how they reacted when those things were denied them. The surprising choices by the characters that twisted the narrative about, choices that were more often not admirable. 

It&#039;s not Nobel Prize material, but it worked for the editors and readers of the Era, and it hooked me in.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;step into the world of our ancestors&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I enjoyed this serial as well, more than her other one (remember all the irritatingly noble souls stumbling through their misguided lovesick behavior in the South Pacific?) because it was a straightforward and engaging report of what life was like for this small group of people. Gloria was noble enough in sensible ways, at least, they made sense to me. It was easy to forgive the obvious ploys, like the diamonds in the gourds, in order to see the real surprises in the behavior of her characters, against the backdrop of daily life in Deseret that she created, and showed us small, ordinary things that I found interesting and noteworthy. Dare I make a list? The tasks that Gloria learned to do to make life bearable and comfortable, the almost unquestioned authority that husbands had over wives and children, the detailed descriptions of way she ran her household, and the things she provided that each member cherished, and how they reacted when those things were denied them. The surprising choices by the characters that twisted the narrative about, choices that were more often not admirable. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not Nobel Prize material, but it worked for the editors and readers of the Era, and it hooked me in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224418</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for being brave enough to say that, Allison in Atlanta! While I generally agree with those who are flabbergasted by the undeniably exaggerated qualities of this story, I&#039;m also glad to see that you, and maybe others, are responding to something else in it. I mean, the editorial board and a good share of the &lt;em&gt;Improvement Era&lt;/em&gt;&#039;s readers &lt;em&gt;had&lt;/em&gt; to have enjoyed this story, too, or it wouldn&#039;t have been published.

There&#039;s a whole range of stories and poetry and plays in our history that I&#039;m happy to post here. I think it adds something to our awareness of what it meant to be a Mormon in, in this case, the 1930s when we look at what they were reading. We can evaluate it according to our own sensibilities ... and maybe, with effort, we can also step into the world of our ancestors just a little bit by trying to read through their eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for being brave enough to say that, Allison in Atlanta! While I generally agree with those who are flabbergasted by the undeniably exaggerated qualities of this story, I&#8217;m also glad to see that you, and maybe others, are responding to something else in it. I mean, the editorial board and a good share of the <em>Improvement Era</em>&#8216;s readers <em>had</em> to have enjoyed this story, too, or it wouldn&#8217;t have been published.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a whole range of stories and poetry and plays in our history that I&#8217;m happy to post here. I think it adds something to our awareness of what it meant to be a Mormon in, in this case, the 1930s when we look at what they were reading. We can evaluate it according to our own sensibilities &#8230; and maybe, with effort, we can also step into the world of our ancestors just a little bit by trying to read through their eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison in Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224416</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 22:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I am too old fashioned, but I really liked this story and I only read chapters 7 and 8 (ch. 8&#039;s opening lines caught me eye and made me read it and then 7 to find out what the heck was going on.

Now I am going to read the rest tonight at home!

THANKS Ardis for finding good stories and serializing them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I am too old fashioned, but I really liked this story and I only read chapters 7 and 8 (ch. 8&#8242;s opening lines caught me eye and made me read it and then 7 to find out what the heck was going on.</p>
<p>Now I am going to read the rest tonight at home!</p>
<p>THANKS Ardis for finding good stories and serializing them.</p>
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		<title>By: lindberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>lindberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 21:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#4 &quot;A new genre: narrative as list.&quot;

It felt to me like she just got tired of writing -- it&#039;s got to be at least as tedious writing this as it does reading it, right?

It felt like she just kind of got to the point of &quot;here&#039;s a list of nouns I&#039;d kinda like to say something about, but it&#039;s just too much work to supply verbs, objects, and all those other grammatical doodads to go with them.&quot;

Overall, the writing in this part seemed a lot more like a collection of random sentences than a narrative.  Like &quot;She never lost a tooth.&quot;  Where the heck did that come from?

Ah, well.  At least it&#039;s over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#4 &#8220;A new genre: narrative as list.&#8221;</p>
<p>It felt to me like she just got tired of writing &#8212; it&#8217;s got to be at least as tedious writing this as it does reading it, right?</p>
<p>It felt like she just kind of got to the point of &#8220;here&#8217;s a list of nouns I&#8217;d kinda like to say something about, but it&#8217;s just too much work to supply verbs, objects, and all those other grammatical doodads to go with them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Overall, the writing in this part seemed a lot more like a collection of random sentences than a narrative.  Like &#8220;She never lost a tooth.&#8221;  Where the heck did that come from?</p>
<p>Ah, well.  At least it&#8217;s over.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 04:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything I need to know, I learned from Aunt Catherine.  Hot biscuits and cream will make me strong, being selfish and demanding will bring me my heart&#039;s desires, continuing to be selfish will eventually bring all my children home happy, and being mindlessly obsessed with family history gets me out of real work.  That&#039;s the moral here, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything I need to know, I learned from Aunt Catherine.  Hot biscuits and cream will make me strong, being selfish and demanding will bring me my heart&#8217;s desires, continuing to be selfish will eventually bring all my children home happy, and being mindlessly obsessed with family history gets me out of real work.  That&#8217;s the moral here, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/05/16/a-daughter-of-martha-chapter-8/comment-page-1/#comment-224232</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 02:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ll need to construct your palindromes in French, Mina. That&#039;s only fair, given that Napoleon apparently constructed his in English.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll need to construct your palindromes in French, Mina. That&#8217;s only fair, given that Napoleon apparently constructed his in English.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 May 2012 01:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A new genre: narrative as list.

And I have an odd craving for clotted cream. And palindromes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new genre: narrative as list.</p>
<p>And I have an odd craving for clotted cream. And palindromes.</p>
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