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	<title>Comments on: Thomas Margetts, on Preaching the Gospel</title>
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		<title>By: peter Fagg</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-215249</link>
		<dc:creator>peter Fagg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again Ardis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again Ardis.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Peel</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213521</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Peel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post. Words to live by; of value not just when preaching the gospel but when teaching anything. Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. Words to live by; of value not just when preaching the gospel but when teaching anything. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (UK)</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213418</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne (UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FWIW, I found a couple of other letters online written by Thomas, and published in the Millennial Star.

In 1843 he wrote to the editor to recount an experience with a ball of fire in the sky;
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/20932

 I really enjoyed his letter of 1850 exhorting 20,000 English (not sure if he meant &quot;English&quot; or &quot;British&quot;) Saints to save three pence a week each, in order to raise £7,500 to send several shiploads of Pioneers across the Atlantic.(that would have been an astonishing amount of money in those days).

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/1897

Couldn&#039;t access the half yearly 1850 report of the London Conference (of which he was then President, as Ardis stated) online, but looks like it took place in Whitechapel, a ward which has  relatively recently been re-established and is now huge.

A letter of 1852, written from Kanesville, after leaving the Valley and en route to Italy is here:

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/37715

And lastly, an 1853 account of his time in Italy (the next item on the page is a fascinating (altho&#039; abruptly ended) account of the missionary work in &#039;East India&#039; in the same year..that&#039;s why I stopped, you can lose hours in the old Stars!)

http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/7059]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, I found a couple of other letters online written by Thomas, and published in the Millennial Star.</p>
<p>In 1843 he wrote to the editor to recount an experience with a ball of fire in the sky;<br />
<a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/20932" rel="nofollow">http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/20932</a></p>
<p> I really enjoyed his letter of 1850 exhorting 20,000 English (not sure if he meant &#8220;English&#8221; or &#8220;British&#8221;) Saints to save three pence a week each, in order to raise £7,500 to send several shiploads of Pioneers across the Atlantic.(that would have been an astonishing amount of money in those days).</p>
<p><a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/1897" rel="nofollow">http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/1897</a></p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t access the half yearly 1850 report of the London Conference (of which he was then President, as Ardis stated) online, but looks like it took place in Whitechapel, a ward which has  relatively recently been re-established and is now huge.</p>
<p>A letter of 1852, written from Kanesville, after leaving the Valley and en route to Italy is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/37715" rel="nofollow">http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/37715</a></p>
<p>And lastly, an 1853 account of his time in Italy (the next item on the page is a fascinating (altho&#8217; abruptly ended) account of the missionary work in &#8216;East India&#8217; in the same year..that&#8217;s why I stopped, you can lose hours in the old Stars!)</p>
<p><a href="http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/7059" rel="nofollow">http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/ref/collection/MStar/id/7059</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan W H</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213399</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan W H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 16:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this information on Thomas. I came across the confusing reports on his death while researching the Margetts (with a hard &quot;G&quot;) family.

I have Phil as Philip Newell Margetts in my family records.  He was married to my great-aunt, Elizabeth Bateman.  My Mom loved to talk about him.  He was a great comic actor, much loved, who performed in the earliest theatrical productions in the Salt Lake Valley through the prime years of the old Salt Lake Theater.

The Margetts brothers also owned a brewery in Salt Lake during the 1850s until Phil decided it was unseemly, at least for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this information on Thomas. I came across the confusing reports on his death while researching the Margetts (with a hard &#8220;G&#8221;) family.</p>
<p>I have Phil as Philip Newell Margetts in my family records.  He was married to my great-aunt, Elizabeth Bateman.  My Mom loved to talk about him.  He was a great comic actor, much loved, who performed in the earliest theatrical productions in the Salt Lake Valley through the prime years of the old Salt Lake Theater.</p>
<p>The Margetts brothers also owned a brewery in Salt Lake during the 1850s until Phil decided it was unseemly, at least for him.</p>
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		<title>By: David Y.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213394</link>
		<dc:creator>David Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 15:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: Margetts Theatre.  And don&#039;t forget current Tabernacle organist, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mormontabernaclechoir.org/info/person?person_id=19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Linda Margetts&lt;/a&gt;!

This line was very impactful: &lt;blockquote&gt;Sir, you have been preaching for some time, and all that you have said may be truth, but I think if you were to preach the gospel, instead of railing against others, it would be much better for them and for you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  Thanks for sharing this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Margetts Theatre.  And don&#8217;t forget current Tabernacle organist, <a href="http://www.mormontabernaclechoir.org/info/person?person_id=19" rel="nofollow">Linda Margetts</a>!</p>
<p>This line was very impactful:<br />
<blockquote>Sir, you have been preaching for some time, and all that you have said may be truth, but I think if you were to preach the gospel, instead of railing against others, it would be much better for them and for you.</p></blockquote>
<p>  Thanks for sharing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 13:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Malcolm, for providing his original baptism/christening information. Thomas was baptized as a Latter-day Saint in February 1840 -- any idea where that baptism took place? 

(New Family Search doesn&#039;t provide details of place for live ordinances, Anne.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Malcolm, for providing his original baptism/christening information. Thomas was baptized as a Latter-day Saint in February 1840 &#8212; any idea where that baptism took place? </p>
<p>(New Family Search doesn&#8217;t provide details of place for live ordinances, Anne.)</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm Margetts</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213348</link>
		<dc:creator>Malcolm Margetts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2012 12:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Margetts was baptised 26 April 1820 at Old Woostock, Oxfordshire, England]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas Margetts was baptised 26 April 1820 at Old Woostock, Oxfordshire, England</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213207</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And thanks for the note about Phil Margetts, Mark. He&#039;s the member of the family most prominent in Utah and Mormon history -- really great actor, apparently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thanks for the note about Phil Margetts, Mark. He&#8217;s the member of the family most prominent in Utah and Mormon history &#8212; really great actor, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/04/02/thomas-margetts-on-preaching-the-gospel/comment-page-1/#comment-213206</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the response, all. We don&#039;t often hear admissions like Thomas Margetts&#039; even though we probably all have to relearn how to do this thing correctly. I loved his candor and clarity the moment I read it.

I don&#039;t know offhand where Margetts was baptized, but will try to find out. And Gary, I&#039;ve only ever heard the name with a hard &quot;g&quot; but don&#039;t have any information about a 19th century pronunciation.

Indian troubles were generally limited to running off cattle, or demanding food, so far as I know. But we do know of two separate attacks that carried off two women who were not returned (I wrote about one named Grundvig -- I&#039;m not where I can easily make a link at the moment). Almon Babbitt was killed in almost the same spot as Margetts, and the same year, but Babbitt was crossing from east to west. And there was some considerable difficulty 1865-67. An east-bound Mormon missionary/freighting company in 1865 lost at least one man to an Indian arrow. Those are the ones I&#039;m familiar with; there could easily have been others, but not a very great number, I think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the response, all. We don&#8217;t often hear admissions like Thomas Margetts&#8217; even though we probably all have to relearn how to do this thing correctly. I loved his candor and clarity the moment I read it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know offhand where Margetts was baptized, but will try to find out. And Gary, I&#8217;ve only ever heard the name with a hard &#8220;g&#8221; but don&#8217;t have any information about a 19th century pronunciation.</p>
<p>Indian troubles were generally limited to running off cattle, or demanding food, so far as I know. But we do know of two separate attacks that carried off two women who were not returned (I wrote about one named Grundvig &#8212; I&#8217;m not where I can easily make a link at the moment). Almon Babbitt was killed in almost the same spot as Margetts, and the same year, but Babbitt was crossing from east to west. And there was some considerable difficulty 1865-67. An east-bound Mormon missionary/freighting company in 1865 lost at least one man to an Indian arrow. Those are the ones I&#8217;m familiar with; there could easily have been others, but not a very great number, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 18:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That surname rang a bell--there&#039;s a theater in the Harris Fine Arts Building at BYU named &quot;Margetts.&quot;  It turns out that it&#039;s named after Thomas&#039;s brother Philip, born in 1829 (or 1827 by one account).  His name is given in various sources as Philip Nephi Margetts, but that middle name must surely be a later addition, as it seems highly unlikely that the name &quot;Nephi&quot; showed up before the Book of Mormon.

I think that I had always assumed that the &quot;g&quot; is hard--and I may be remembering, however faintly, others pronouncing it that way.  But I may have just made all that up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That surname rang a bell&#8211;there&#8217;s a theater in the Harris Fine Arts Building at BYU named &#8220;Margetts.&#8221;  It turns out that it&#8217;s named after Thomas&#8217;s brother Philip, born in 1829 (or 1827 by one account).  His name is given in various sources as Philip Nephi Margetts, but that middle name must surely be a later addition, as it seems highly unlikely that the name &#8220;Nephi&#8221; showed up before the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p>I think that I had always assumed that the &#8220;g&#8221; is hard&#8211;and I may be remembering, however faintly, others pronouncing it that way.  But I may have just made all that up.</p>
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