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	<title>Comments on: Guest Post: Marinda Redd Bankhead: A Slave in Zion</title>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 17:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the additional insight into this, Paul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the additional insight into this, Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Reeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 03:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#11, Steve C., Look at D&amp;C 134:12.  It is NOT a revelation, but a statement on government and is deeply immersed in the historical context from which it emerges.  It outlines the general policy that missionaries were not to preach to or baptize slaves &quot;contrary to the will and wish of their masters.&quot;  It grows out of the larger context of the Mormon expulsion from Jackson County in 1833 and the charge that they were inciting a slave rebellion, but really that they were promoting &quot;amalgamation,&quot; the word for race mixing at the time.  JS, Warren Parish, and Oliver Cowdery reinforced this position in editorials in the Messenger and Advocate in 1836.  The editorials reminded missionaries in the South not to preach to slaves without the permission of their masters and the editorials themselves were in response to the visit of a radical abolitionist to Kirtland.  Mormons wanted to be sure they were not lumped in with an immediate abolitionist just because he visited Kirtland and gave a speech there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#11, Steve C., Look at D&amp;C 134:12.  It is NOT a revelation, but a statement on government and is deeply immersed in the historical context from which it emerges.  It outlines the general policy that missionaries were not to preach to or baptize slaves &#8220;contrary to the will and wish of their masters.&#8221;  It grows out of the larger context of the Mormon expulsion from Jackson County in 1833 and the charge that they were inciting a slave rebellion, but really that they were promoting &#8220;amalgamation,&#8221; the word for race mixing at the time.  JS, Warren Parish, and Oliver Cowdery reinforced this position in editorials in the Messenger and Advocate in 1836.  The editorials reminded missionaries in the South not to preach to slaves without the permission of their masters and the editorials themselves were in response to the visit of a radical abolitionist to Kirtland.  Mormons wanted to be sure they were not lumped in with an immediate abolitionist just because he visited Kirtland and gave a speech there.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Reeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 02:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The language in the family stories might trace back to the Act in Relation to Service?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Amy, I think that is too direct of a connection that would be difficult to substantiate.  I was only trying to give some context to Maurine&#039;s question in #10, and suggest that the law as written required a &quot;servant&quot; to enter the territory of her or his choice and enter a contract with her or his master. As you note, what that actually looked like in practice is an entirely different matter.  I&#039;m still stumped by the law, that those who wrote it believed a black person would choose the form of servitude it dictates over freedom.  But as the BY quote indicates, he actually believed that the servants would be &quot;better off&quot; in servitude than free.  How ever we slice it, Utah still had a form of involuntary servitude which treated black people inferior.  And it is important to remember that the 1852 law was designed to provide legal cover for the masters who were already in the territory with their slaves.
So, I&#039;m overly complicating the issue. The most direct answer to Maurine&#039;s #10 is that those coming west were not all freed slaves who willingly accompanied their families.  The 1852 law said that they had to enter the territory of their own free will; whether they did or not is an entirely different matter complicated by the fact that there are so few sources from black pioneers themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The language in the family stories might trace back to the Act in Relation to Service?</p></blockquote>
<p>Amy, I think that is too direct of a connection that would be difficult to substantiate.  I was only trying to give some context to Maurine&#8217;s question in #10, and suggest that the law as written required a &#8220;servant&#8221; to enter the territory of her or his choice and enter a contract with her or his master. As you note, what that actually looked like in practice is an entirely different matter.  I&#8217;m still stumped by the law, that those who wrote it believed a black person would choose the form of servitude it dictates over freedom.  But as the BY quote indicates, he actually believed that the servants would be &#8220;better off&#8221; in servitude than free.  How ever we slice it, Utah still had a form of involuntary servitude which treated black people inferior.  And it is important to remember that the 1852 law was designed to provide legal cover for the masters who were already in the territory with their slaves.<br />
So, I&#8217;m overly complicating the issue. The most direct answer to Maurine&#8217;s #10 is that those coming west were not all freed slaves who willingly accompanied their families.  The 1852 law said that they had to enter the territory of their own free will; whether they did or not is an entirely different matter complicated by the fact that there are so few sources from black pioneers themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2012 01:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, that&#039;s interesting, Paul. The language in the family stories might trace back to the Act in Relation to Service? 

I just checked again, and I don&#039;t see any of these families listed in any possible Probate Court records, with the exception of two entries which are not detailed as to year or content of the file, so if the law required registration, it looks like they either considered the slaves free, or were ignorant of the provisions of the law, or simply didn&#039;t comply. (Any other possible explanations?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, that&#8217;s interesting, Paul. The language in the family stories might trace back to the Act in Relation to Service? </p>
<p>I just checked again, and I don&#8217;t see any of these families listed in any possible Probate Court records, with the exception of two entries which are not detailed as to year or content of the file, so if the law required registration, it looks like they either considered the slaves free, or were ignorant of the provisions of the law, or simply didn&#8217;t comply. (Any other possible explanations?)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Reeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a great new article recently published in the &lt;em&gt;UHQ&lt;/em&gt; which partly addresses this issue. Some of the sentiment expressed by Maurine in #10 may have come from Utah&#039;s territorial law itself, &quot;An Act in Relation to Service&quot; (it does not use the word slave or slavery at all, and was clearly designed to set Utah apart from the chattel slavery of the South and to align it more closely with gradual emancipation provisions such as those passed in Indiana and Illinois). The 1852 law as passed by the territorial legislature required that masters register any servant with a probate court, but stipulated that the servants had to enter the territory “of their own free will and choice.”  In practice, it is impossible to know how this provision played out, but the law nonetheless deferred to a servant’s agency.  It also stipulated that servants were to “receive a reasonable compensation” for their service.  For a detailed analysis of Utah&#039;s law in historical context see Christopher B. Rich, Jr., “The True Policy for Utah: Servitude, Slavery, and ‘An Act in Relation to Service,’ &lt;em&gt;Utah Historical Quarterly&lt;/em&gt; 80 (Winter 2012): 54-74.

That said, Brigham Young himself seemed to buy into a qualified paternalism prompted by southern slave masters, that slavery was far from a necessary evil, but a moral good.  They were doing for the slaves (providing food and clothing and shelter) things that they were racially incapable of doing for themselves.  Young reminded lawmakers that he loathed “the abuses to which the slave in a great many instances is exposed,” but insisted that “[w]hen a master has a Negro, and uses him well, he is much better off than if he was free.”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a great new article recently published in the <em>UHQ</em> which partly addresses this issue. Some of the sentiment expressed by Maurine in #10 may have come from Utah&#8217;s territorial law itself, &#8220;An Act in Relation to Service&#8221; (it does not use the word slave or slavery at all, and was clearly designed to set Utah apart from the chattel slavery of the South and to align it more closely with gradual emancipation provisions such as those passed in Indiana and Illinois). The 1852 law as passed by the territorial legislature required that masters register any servant with a probate court, but stipulated that the servants had to enter the territory “of their own free will and choice.”  In practice, it is impossible to know how this provision played out, but the law nonetheless deferred to a servant’s agency.  It also stipulated that servants were to “receive a reasonable compensation” for their service.  For a detailed analysis of Utah&#8217;s law in historical context see Christopher B. Rich, Jr., “The True Policy for Utah: Servitude, Slavery, and ‘An Act in Relation to Service,’ <em>Utah Historical Quarterly</em> 80 (Winter 2012): 54-74.</p>
<p>That said, Brigham Young himself seemed to buy into a qualified paternalism prompted by southern slave masters, that slavery was far from a necessary evil, but a moral good.  They were doing for the slaves (providing food and clothing and shelter) things that they were racially incapable of doing for themselves.  Young reminded lawmakers that he loathed “the abuses to which the slave in a great many instances is exposed,” but insisted that “[w]hen a master has a Negro, and uses him well, he is much better off than if he was free.”</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Glauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Glauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maurine -- those stories were told by the descendants of the slave-owning families and tend to contradict the few accounts left by the slaves and records left by the slave owners. 

I&#039;ve heard that myth called the Magnolia Myth: that slavery was a benevolent institution and that the slaves desired to remain with their owners, even after being freed. See, for example, the book and movie &lt;i&gt;Gone With the Wind&lt;/i&gt;. 

It is curious seeing the myth show up in Utah, since these families left the South in the 1840s and early 1850s, but as I understand it, that myth has been perpetuated by the women of the South, so I suppose it&#039;s fitting to have it turn up in the materials preserved in the collections of the Daughters of Utah Pioneers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maurine &#8212; those stories were told by the descendants of the slave-owning families and tend to contradict the few accounts left by the slaves and records left by the slave owners. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that myth called the Magnolia Myth: that slavery was a benevolent institution and that the slaves desired to remain with their owners, even after being freed. See, for example, the book and movie <i>Gone With the Wind</i>. </p>
<p>It is curious seeing the myth show up in Utah, since these families left the South in the 1840s and early 1850s, but as I understand it, that myth has been perpetuated by the women of the South, so I suppose it&#8217;s fitting to have it turn up in the materials preserved in the collections of the Daughters of Utah Pioneers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 13:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maurine, I think this suggests a bigger story about slavery in Utah Territory.  I&#039;d like to know more myself.

As I read this I wondered about the baptisms of slaves.  It seems that the former slaves in this narrative were active members of the Church.  Given that the Church stresses free agency, did the slave owners require their slaves to be baptized or allowed their slaves to decide on their own?  I&#039;m sure there were all sorts of different approaches to this.  If anyone knows more about this I&#039;d be interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maurine, I think this suggests a bigger story about slavery in Utah Territory.  I&#8217;d like to know more myself.</p>
<p>As I read this I wondered about the baptisms of slaves.  It seems that the former slaves in this narrative were active members of the Church.  Given that the Church stresses free agency, did the slave owners require their slaves to be baptized or allowed their slaves to decide on their own?  I&#8217;m sure there were all sorts of different approaches to this.  If anyone knows more about this I&#8217;d be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurine Ward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurine Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 04:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was interested in Marinda&#039;s account of the slaves running away while the party was in Kansas. I always thought that those LDS slaves coming west to Zion were freed slaves who willingly accompanied their families.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was interested in Marinda&#8217;s account of the slaves running away while the party was in Kansas. I always thought that those LDS slaves coming west to Zion were freed slaves who willingly accompanied their families.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Reeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2012 02:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amy T, thanks for sharing your research here, especially of those people who are too frequently forgotten. 
#3, Kevinf, If you are interested in more on the Broad Ax and Julius, there have been a couple of articles in the UHQ, one fairly recently I believe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amy T, thanks for sharing your research here, especially of those people who are too frequently forgotten.<br />
#3, Kevinf, If you are interested in more on the Broad Ax and Julius, there have been a couple of articles in the UHQ, one fairly recently I believe.</p>
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