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		<title>By: lindberg</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/03/21/our-foreign-born-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-210532</link>
		<dc:creator>lindberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our ward only has a few immigrants, from Japan, Thailand, Switzerland, Sudan, Dominican Republic, and ... I forget, somewhere in central America.  Columbia, maybe?

For the most part, they seem to be well accepted and fit in.  As near as I can tell, people seem perfectly willing to make allowances for imperfect English and differences in custom, and in many cases make special effort to ensure they feel included.

However, I suspect there are times when those efforts fall short or miss the mark.  I&#039;m sure there are times the immigrants feel they aren&#039;t really fitting in.  One sister mentioned to me a few months ago that she doesn&#039;t feel like she really has any good friends in the ward (but then, I don&#039;t either, and I don&#039;t have a language/culture barrier to blame for it).

The Sudanese family has had the most difficult time.  Between the mother&#039;s almost incomprehensible English, severe economic strains (the husband abandoned the family and went back to Africa shortly after they moved into our neighborhood), medical problems, and weak to nonexistant testimonies, they have never really integrated with the ward.  They have been reasonably active during times of strong, proactive home/visiting teachers and youth leaders that have stopped by to provide rides for every meeting, but not otherwise.  I&#039;m not sure what we could have done better -- one poor RS president almost wore herself out, spending several days a week working with the sister trying to improve her English and get resolution to the medical issues.  I do have a nagging feeling that there is more I could have done -- or maybe could be doing now.  But I&#039;m not sure what it is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our ward only has a few immigrants, from Japan, Thailand, Switzerland, Sudan, Dominican Republic, and &#8230; I forget, somewhere in central America.  Columbia, maybe?</p>
<p>For the most part, they seem to be well accepted and fit in.  As near as I can tell, people seem perfectly willing to make allowances for imperfect English and differences in custom, and in many cases make special effort to ensure they feel included.</p>
<p>However, I suspect there are times when those efforts fall short or miss the mark.  I&#8217;m sure there are times the immigrants feel they aren&#8217;t really fitting in.  One sister mentioned to me a few months ago that she doesn&#8217;t feel like she really has any good friends in the ward (but then, I don&#8217;t either, and I don&#8217;t have a language/culture barrier to blame for it).</p>
<p>The Sudanese family has had the most difficult time.  Between the mother&#8217;s almost incomprehensible English, severe economic strains (the husband abandoned the family and went back to Africa shortly after they moved into our neighborhood), medical problems, and weak to nonexistant testimonies, they have never really integrated with the ward.  They have been reasonably active during times of strong, proactive home/visiting teachers and youth leaders that have stopped by to provide rides for every meeting, but not otherwise.  I&#8217;m not sure what we could have done better &#8212; one poor RS president almost wore herself out, spending several days a week working with the sister trying to improve her English and get resolution to the medical issues.  I do have a nagging feeling that there is more I could have done &#8212; or maybe could be doing now.  But I&#8217;m not sure what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Other Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 1928 article seems to indicate that immigrants have condescended to come to America because of their religion, and that they deserve better treatment because of the sacrifices they have made.

The more recent church document recognizes that many immigrants--even those working menial positions--are living a far higher standard economically than they did in their native land.

So the question is: Does it matter?  Does a Philipino surgeon that works a relatively menial job in the U.S. deserve more &quot;fellowshipping&quot; than the Mexican that trims your lawn, but has far more money than he did in Mexico? My view of the Gospel is that no, it shouldn&#039;t matter.  My reality is that yes, it does.  A family from Denmark moved into our ward six months ago, and have been welcomed [in my opinion] because the husband is a well-paid executive.  Those at the other end of the economic spectrum, not so much.  I guess it&#039;s just human nature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1928 article seems to indicate that immigrants have condescended to come to America because of their religion, and that they deserve better treatment because of the sacrifices they have made.</p>
<p>The more recent church document recognizes that many immigrants&#8211;even those working menial positions&#8211;are living a far higher standard economically than they did in their native land.</p>
<p>So the question is: Does it matter?  Does a Philipino surgeon that works a relatively menial job in the U.S. deserve more &#8220;fellowshipping&#8221; than the Mexican that trims your lawn, but has far more money than he did in Mexico? My view of the Gospel is that no, it shouldn&#8217;t matter.  My reality is that yes, it does.  A family from Denmark moved into our ward six months ago, and have been welcomed [in my opinion] because the husband is a well-paid executive.  Those at the other end of the economic spectrum, not so much.  I guess it&#8217;s just human nature.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are seeing increasing numbers of LDS immigrants in our ward.  Currently, we have members who are from Mongolia, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Chile and one family also hails from Occupied Virginia.  It&#039;s fun when we have ward activities with food, like the cultural dinner we had a few weeks ago.  We had haggis, pork Schnitzel, Chilean corn casserole, Divine Egg Rolls (always capitalized in our ward), Korean sushi, and too many others that I can&#039;t recall them all.  I just know that I ate too much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are seeing increasing numbers of LDS immigrants in our ward.  Currently, we have members who are from Mongolia, China, Cambodia, Vietnam, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Chile and one family also hails from Occupied Virginia.  It&#8217;s fun when we have ward activities with food, like the cultural dinner we had a few weeks ago.  We had haggis, pork Schnitzel, Chilean corn casserole, Divine Egg Rolls (always capitalized in our ward), Korean sushi, and too many others that I can&#8217;t recall them all.  I just know that I ate too much.</p>
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		<title>By: charlene</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/03/21/our-foreign-born-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-210493</link>
		<dc:creator>charlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I remark often how much I enjoy the ward where I live and its many non-US born members. Their stories are tender and inspiring and keep us a little less ethnocentric.

In general, I find good acceptance of LDS-member immigrants, not so much for non-LDS. I think this has always been the case, considering the stories from my Greek and Jewish friends whose families have been in Utah for 100+ years. The young German professional man who has lived in the neighborhood for a year has been fawned over greatly since his baptism a couple of months ago.

I&#039;m not sure what to do about it, but I think economic segregation is one major barrier. Very often, the newcomers never intersect our (my) circles. And, Sunday morning still remains one of the most segregated times in US society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remark often how much I enjoy the ward where I live and its many non-US born members. Their stories are tender and inspiring and keep us a little less ethnocentric.</p>
<p>In general, I find good acceptance of LDS-member immigrants, not so much for non-LDS. I think this has always been the case, considering the stories from my Greek and Jewish friends whose families have been in Utah for 100+ years. The young German professional man who has lived in the neighborhood for a year has been fawned over greatly since his baptism a couple of months ago.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what to do about it, but I think economic segregation is one major barrier. Very often, the newcomers never intersect our (my) circles. And, Sunday morning still remains one of the most segregated times in US society.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Speaking of Danish immigrants, I&#039;ve been reading personal and local histories and have been struck by the fact that the authors never mention the Danish immigrants in the community. 

It seems like the old American and English families created some sort of a social &quot;upper class&quot; and rarely included the Danish and Germans in their circles. It&#039;s understandable, of course, due to differences of language and culture, but unfortunate.

It&#039;s also a little amusing to notice a century and a half later, since their children and grandchildren intermarried extensively.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Danish immigrants, I&#8217;ve been reading personal and local histories and have been struck by the fact that the authors never mention the Danish immigrants in the community. </p>
<p>It seems like the old American and English families created some sort of a social &#8220;upper class&#8221; and rarely included the Danish and Germans in their circles. It&#8217;s understandable, of course, due to differences of language and culture, but unfortunate.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a little amusing to notice a century and a half later, since their children and grandchildren intermarried extensively.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s the part that illegal non-Hispanics are not treated with the same suspicion that legal Hispanics are. (Sorry, Ardis).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the part that illegal non-Hispanics are not treated with the same suspicion that legal Hispanics are. (Sorry, Ardis).</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess you could deport me to the FAIR blog (not the Mormon FAIR, but the Facists Against Immigration Reality) and see how I fare over there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you could deport me to the FAIR blog (not the Mormon FAIR, but the Facists Against Immigration Reality) and see how I fare over there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2012/03/21/our-foreign-born-friends/comment-page-1/#comment-210474</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just what am I supposed to do with you, dear boy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just what am I supposed to do with you, dear boy?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fine, Ardis.  It&#039;s your blog (or should I say &quot;you&#039;re blog&quot; or even &quot;you are blog&quot;?), but JUST WHAT PART OF &lt;strong&gt;ILLEGAL&lt;/strong&gt; DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine, Ardis.  It&#8217;s your blog (or should I say &#8220;you&#8217;re blog&#8221; or even &#8220;you are blog&#8221;?), but JUST WHAT PART OF <strong>ILLEGAL</strong> DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???</p>
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