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	<title>Comments on: Priesthood and Girlhood: The View from 1933</title>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-108010</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is!

As far as black men, mentioned by Keri and Michelle, I don&#039;t think the author of this piece, whoever it was, intended to comment on race at all. I suspect, rather, that the idea of black members of the church wasn&#039;t even on the author&#039;s radar -- if you had asked him or her about blacks directly, there would have been an instant recall of the priesthood restriction and all that it meant in that generation, but I suspect that in the absence of a direct reminder the whole issue simply never crossed the author&#039;s mind.  I have no way to prove that, of course, but that&#039;s my instinct.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is!</p>
<p>As far as black men, mentioned by Keri and Michelle, I don&#8217;t think the author of this piece, whoever it was, intended to comment on race at all. I suspect, rather, that the idea of black members of the church wasn&#8217;t even on the author&#8217;s radar &#8212; if you had asked him or her about blacks directly, there would have been an instant recall of the priesthood restriction and all that it meant in that generation, but I suspect that in the absence of a direct reminder the whole issue simply never crossed the author&#8217;s mind.  I have no way to prove that, of course, but that&#8217;s my instinct.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Glauser</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-107975</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle Glauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, too, like Keri, looked at the date and was surprised. Did the writer not view black men to be men? Or were black men not allowed in the Church at all at that time?

Anyway, it seems to me like the writer is confused, especially in the transitory phrases between paragraphs four and five. I find myself wanting to assume that the article was written by a man, but at that point, who knows? 

I found that it rubs me wrong to hear it implied that only men can adjust to differing circumstances, that they are above society when it says, &quot;the loss to women and to society is far more tragic than the loss to man himself.&quot;

Whenever I read these types of historical documents I wonder, &quot;What things that are being written now are going to be shocking to us and future generations?&quot;

Fascinating, isn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, too, like Keri, looked at the date and was surprised. Did the writer not view black men to be men? Or were black men not allowed in the Church at all at that time?</p>
<p>Anyway, it seems to me like the writer is confused, especially in the transitory phrases between paragraphs four and five. I find myself wanting to assume that the article was written by a man, but at that point, who knows? </p>
<p>I found that it rubs me wrong to hear it implied that only men can adjust to differing circumstances, that they are above society when it says, &#8220;the loss to women and to society is far more tragic than the loss to man himself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whenever I read these types of historical documents I wonder, &#8220;What things that are being written now are going to be shocking to us and future generations?&#8221;</p>
<p>Fascinating, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, HokieKate, for adding that to my research file. That lesson echoes this 1933 view, and very closely parallels &lt;em&gt;Daughters in My Kingdom&lt;/em&gt;, in stressing that women receive all the blessings of the priesthood, defining those blessings for the most part as ordinances. It goes beyond those, though, in recognizing other facets of the priesthood -- the obligations and promises (the oath and covenant) that are also blessings of the priesthood, without comment on whether or not the promises of verses 33-34 (being sanctified in the spirit, being renewed in body, receiving the Lord. and being received by the general church in his name) are available to women, or why/why not]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, HokieKate, for adding that to my research file. That lesson echoes this 1933 view, and very closely parallels <em>Daughters in My Kingdom</em>, in stressing that women receive all the blessings of the priesthood, defining those blessings for the most part as ordinances. It goes beyond those, though, in recognizing other facets of the priesthood &#8212; the obligations and promises (the oath and covenant) that are also blessings of the priesthood, without comment on whether or not the promises of verses 33-34 (being sanctified in the spirit, being renewed in body, receiving the Lord. and being received by the general church in his name) are available to women, or why/why not</p>
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		<title>By: HokieKate</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106885</link>
		<dc:creator>HokieKate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 17:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good catch, Keri!

The YW lesson I was referring to us the one I just taught this spring: http://lds.org/manual/young-women-manual-3/lesson-12-the-blessings-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng

I don&#039;t know if the other manuals are significantly different.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch, Keri!</p>
<p>The YW lesson I was referring to us the one I just taught this spring: <a href="http://lds.org/manual/young-women-manual-3/lesson-12-the-blessings-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng" rel="nofollow">http://lds.org/manual/young-women-manual-3/lesson-12-the-blessings-of-the-priesthood?lang=eng</a></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if the other manuals are significantly different.</p>
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		<title>By: Keri Brooks</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106850</link>
		<dc:creator>Keri Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 16:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found the line &quot;All men in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints receive the Priesthood if they are worthy.&quot; to be surprising. I had to glance back at the title and double check the date of this lesson. In 1933, this was not an accurate statement; that statement wouldn&#039;t become accurate until 1978.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the line &#8220;All men in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints receive the Priesthood if they are worthy.&#8221; to be surprising. I had to glance back at the title and double check the date of this lesson. In 1933, this was not an accurate statement; that statement wouldn&#8217;t become accurate until 1978.</p>
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		<title>By: ji</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106835</link>
		<dc:creator>ji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all this, let&#039;s remember that one person&#039;s explanation is just that:  one person&#039;s explanation.  And we all seek out explanations that satisfy our minds.  Leaders offer their explanations; magazine editors offer their explanations.  And while these explanations seems to represent or stand in for the truth, they are not the truth -- they are just good faith explanations.

So men and women of good will have tried to answer questions that arise, such as why only men hold God&#039;s priesthood.  We will never know the truth unless God himself tells us.  But as time passes and our culture changes, our explanations will change, too.  I see nothing sinister in these changing explanations -- indeed, I welcome them.  If we ever did adopt a monolithic unchanging explanation, we would probably err.  I love this flexibility, because one person can have his or her own understanding or explanation and another person can have his or her own differing explanation.  This diversity of thought is wonderful.

In this context, I love reading how Latter-day Saints in the past thought of this matter, and other matters, too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all this, let&#8217;s remember that one person&#8217;s explanation is just that:  one person&#8217;s explanation.  And we all seek out explanations that satisfy our minds.  Leaders offer their explanations; magazine editors offer their explanations.  And while these explanations seems to represent or stand in for the truth, they are not the truth &#8212; they are just good faith explanations.</p>
<p>So men and women of good will have tried to answer questions that arise, such as why only men hold God&#8217;s priesthood.  We will never know the truth unless God himself tells us.  But as time passes and our culture changes, our explanations will change, too.  I see nothing sinister in these changing explanations &#8212; indeed, I welcome them.  If we ever did adopt a monolithic unchanging explanation, we would probably err.  I love this flexibility, because one person can have his or her own understanding or explanation and another person can have his or her own differing explanation.  This diversity of thought is wonderful.</p>
<p>In this context, I love reading how Latter-day Saints in the past thought of this matter, and other matters, too.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106822</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 15:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking forward to your work on this, Ardis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to your work on this, Ardis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106797</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case anyone wonders or doesn&#039;t remember, I&#039;ve been posting articles from the past that address women and the priesthood (they all have &quot;the view from&quot; in the title, so can be easily searched from the Topical Guide link) as it was taught in various times. Mostly I&#039;m doing this without comment now, although when enough &quot;views&quot; have accumulated I may do a synthesis that notes what changes from generation to generation, and what is common to all, and the progression of any change.

I&#039;m still looking for a Primary lesson I saw before I started collecting these pieces that relates to HokieKate&#039;s comment -- the lesson contained advice to the teacher on how to handle questions from girls who asked why their brothers were being ordained and they were not.

As for my personal opinion, my lack of comment should not be taken either as approval nor as rejection of any particular comment or article. I&#039;m still in the data-gathering stage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone wonders or doesn&#8217;t remember, I&#8217;ve been posting articles from the past that address women and the priesthood (they all have &#8220;the view from&#8221; in the title, so can be easily searched from the Topical Guide link) as it was taught in various times. Mostly I&#8217;m doing this without comment now, although when enough &#8220;views&#8221; have accumulated I may do a synthesis that notes what changes from generation to generation, and what is common to all, and the progression of any change.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still looking for a Primary lesson I saw before I started collecting these pieces that relates to HokieKate&#8217;s comment &#8212; the lesson contained advice to the teacher on how to handle questions from girls who asked why their brothers were being ordained and they were not.</p>
<p>As for my personal opinion, my lack of comment should not be taken either as approval nor as rejection of any particular comment or article. I&#8217;m still in the data-gathering stage.</p>
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		<title>By: HokieKate</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106783</link>
		<dc:creator>HokieKate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this to have a very negative tone, as if the author was chastising the girls for even thinking about women holding the priesthood. In contrast, the current YW manual doesn&#039;t address the fact that women might even ask why they can&#039;t hold the priesthood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this to have a very negative tone, as if the author was chastising the girls for even thinking about women holding the priesthood. In contrast, the current YW manual doesn&#8217;t address the fact that women might even ask why they can&#8217;t hold the priesthood.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/09/27/priesthood-and-girlhood-the-view-from-1933/comment-page-1/#comment-106779</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 14:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yet her creative home labor ranks side by side, in earthly and heavenly importance, with her husband’s Priesthood responsibilities. His is in the market place – hers at the hearthstone. He is the leader and she follows, not because she must, but because she wills. She is as happy in her sphere as he is in his. That he would bungle and spoil home life if he sought to enter woman’s sphere is as sure as it is that she would emasculate his affairs if, or when, she attempts to prove her equality by crowding man out of his place.&quot;

Wow.  Couldn&#039;t help but think of George Banks in Mary Poppins...

I confess I&#039;m happier with The Family, A Proclamation to the World&#039;s more subtle phraseology&quot; &quot;By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet her creative home labor ranks side by side, in earthly and heavenly importance, with her husband’s Priesthood responsibilities. His is in the market place – hers at the hearthstone. He is the leader and she follows, not because she must, but because she wills. She is as happy in her sphere as he is in his. That he would bungle and spoil home life if he sought to enter woman’s sphere is as sure as it is that she would emasculate his affairs if, or when, she attempts to prove her equality by crowding man out of his place.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  Couldn&#8217;t help but think of George Banks in Mary Poppins&#8230;</p>
<p>I confess I&#8217;m happier with The Family, A Proclamation to the World&#8217;s more subtle phraseology&#8221; &#8220;By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners.&#8221;</p>
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