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	<title>Comments on: Daughters in My Kingdom: Revising Expectations</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/08/23/daughters-in-my-kingdom-revising-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-86632</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, thanks for the heads up.  I&#039;ll resume my breathing instead of holding my breath til it appears...  ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, thanks for the heads up.  I&#8217;ll resume my breathing instead of holding my breath til it appears&#8230;  <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/08/23/daughters-in-my-kingdom-revising-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-86629</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 17:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been working on it for the past hour, Paul, but it isn&#039;t going very well so I&#039;ll junk it and try again another day.  The book is better than I expected in a great many ways ... not all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been working on it for the past hour, Paul, but it isn&#8217;t going very well so I&#8217;ll junk it and try again another day.  The book is better than I expected in a great many ways &#8230; not all.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/08/23/daughters-in-my-kingdom-revising-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-86627</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis,

I had a chance to glance at this new volume over the weekend while visiting my sister (her husband the bishop persuaded the RS president to let him have a copy to look at).  My sister in law (former stake RS president in her midwestern stake) and my wife were also very insterested to see it.  

My sister in law observed whatever the book is (and she was very positive), it is not a history.  For that, she said, she&#039;d turn to Women of the Covenant (as cited by others above).  But both she and my wife (who is in the stake RS presidency in our stake) both agreed it&#039;s quite a good thing for a wide swath of sisters in their respective stakes.  

Looking forward to your post-review review...  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis,</p>
<p>I had a chance to glance at this new volume over the weekend while visiting my sister (her husband the bishop persuaded the RS president to let him have a copy to look at).  My sister in law (former stake RS president in her midwestern stake) and my wife were also very insterested to see it.  </p>
<p>My sister in law observed whatever the book is (and she was very positive), it is not a history.  For that, she said, she&#8217;d turn to Women of the Covenant (as cited by others above).  But both she and my wife (who is in the stake RS presidency in our stake) both agreed it&#8217;s quite a good thing for a wide swath of sisters in their respective stakes.  </p>
<p>Looking forward to your post-review review&#8230;  <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/08/23/daughters-in-my-kingdom-revising-expectations/comment-page-1/#comment-86613</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sisters, if you don&#039;t know either me or Keepa very well, please think twice about what you attempt to post. 

Keepa is a blog for believing Latter-day Saints, or at least for those who can be civil toward the Church and the beliefs of its members. This post is not an invitation to mock what you call &quot;chicken patriarchy&quot; nor to express every angry opinion you have about anything related to women and the Church.

Nor am I an arrogant apostate bent on destroying the work of God. Really, I&#039;m not. Take it for granted that I believe as firmly as you do in the inspiration of Church leaders. &lt;em&gt;Daughters in My Kingdom&lt;/em&gt;, however, is not a gospel ordinance. If you have daughters (or even an average imagination), you must admit that they have individual needs and preferences, and that one size doesn&#039;t necessarily fit all. What right do you have to demand that I humble myself and pretend that your preferences are the only ones that matter?

Really, if your comment tends to either extreme, you haven&#039;t read carefully enough. You&#039;re reading what you would have written, not what I actually wrote. Extremist comment in any direction are not apt to make it out of the moderation queue and into public view.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sisters, if you don&#8217;t know either me or Keepa very well, please think twice about what you attempt to post. </p>
<p>Keepa is a blog for believing Latter-day Saints, or at least for those who can be civil toward the Church and the beliefs of its members. This post is not an invitation to mock what you call &#8220;chicken patriarchy&#8221; nor to express every angry opinion you have about anything related to women and the Church.</p>
<p>Nor am I an arrogant apostate bent on destroying the work of God. Really, I&#8217;m not. Take it for granted that I believe as firmly as you do in the inspiration of Church leaders. <em>Daughters in My Kingdom</em>, however, is not a gospel ordinance. If you have daughters (or even an average imagination), you must admit that they have individual needs and preferences, and that one size doesn&#8217;t necessarily fit all. What right do you have to demand that I humble myself and pretend that your preferences are the only ones that matter?</p>
<p>Really, if your comment tends to either extreme, you haven&#8217;t read carefully enough. You&#8217;re reading what you would have written, not what I actually wrote. Extremist comment in any direction are not apt to make it out of the moderation queue and into public view.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Kristine.  The other thing that bothers me about &quot;women&#039;s&quot; history is that it accentuates the &quot;other&quot;-ness of women.  No one will ever give a talk on &quot;Valiant Men in the Scriptures&quot; or &quot;The Men of Church History,&quot; the way they will about women, and I long for the day when men&#039;s and women&#039;s stories are told--to both men and women-- without respect to gender--without even needing to bring it up in the title.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Kristine.  The other thing that bothers me about &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; history is that it accentuates the &#8220;other&#8221;-ness of women.  No one will ever give a talk on &#8220;Valiant Men in the Scriptures&#8221; or &#8220;The Men of Church History,&#8221; the way they will about women, and I long for the day when men&#8217;s and women&#8217;s stories are told&#8211;to both men and women&#8211; without respect to gender&#8211;without even needing to bring it up in the title.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen M (ethesis)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen M (ethesis)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The largest Mormon publisher have explicit policies that they don’t work with agents.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m amazed.  Deseret Book won&#039;t deal with agents?  So all the &quot;one off&quot; books that they publish and all the commissioned biographies are all done without agents, just editors dealing directly with writers?

Obviously I am seriously illiterate about how that part of the world works.

Kent, thanks for the update.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The largest Mormon publisher have explicit policies that they don’t work with agents.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m amazed.  Deseret Book won&#8217;t deal with agents?  So all the &#8220;one off&#8221; books that they publish and all the commissioned biographies are all done without agents, just editors dealing directly with writers?</p>
<p>Obviously I am seriously illiterate about how that part of the world works.</p>
<p>Kent, thanks for the update.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen M (ethesis) (29), I have to say that I don&#039;t think finding an agent in the Mormon world is much of an option, and not much of an option in the national market either.

First, among Mormon publishers, agents are simply not accepted. The largest Mormon publisher have explicit policies that they don&#039;t work with agents. And I&#039;m afraid that most of the books about Mormonism published by non-Mormon publishers are from academic presses, which usually don&#039;t involve agents either.

I&#039;m afraid that the option of finding and agent for this kind of book is an extremely remote possibility. Someone like Deseret Book is the only current publisher that could take the risk on selling enough copies to offer an advance -- and they don&#039;t seem to do that for unproven authors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen M (ethesis) (29), I have to say that I don&#8217;t think finding an agent in the Mormon world is much of an option, and not much of an option in the national market either.</p>
<p>First, among Mormon publishers, agents are simply not accepted. The largest Mormon publisher have explicit policies that they don&#8217;t work with agents. And I&#8217;m afraid that most of the books about Mormonism published by non-Mormon publishers are from academic presses, which usually don&#8217;t involve agents either.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid that the option of finding and agent for this kind of book is an extremely remote possibility. Someone like Deseret Book is the only current publisher that could take the risk on selling enough copies to offer an advance &#8212; and they don&#8217;t seem to do that for unproven authors.</p>
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		<title>By: BHodges</title>
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		<dc:creator>BHodges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having recently read &lt;i&gt;Women of Covenant&lt;/i&gt; I find this post a bit disheartening. It wasn&#039;t so long ago that WoC was published, after all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having recently read <i>Women of Covenant</i> I find this post a bit disheartening. It wasn&#8217;t so long ago that WoC was published, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Park</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Park</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strongly agree with Kristine.

I also think Women of Covenant should have been used as the book.what a gem

Ardis&#039;s comments remind me of a story from David O McKay&#039;s life, as told through Prince&#039;s bio: McKay wanted one of Nibley&#039;s book as curriculum for the next year&#039;s church meetings. The Sunday School board then took the book, gutted it, and made it &quot;approachable&quot; for the average member. Nibley complained about it to McKay, who in turn complained about it to the Board. The Board then said, &quot;But Pres McKay, it will be over everyone&#039;s head!&quot; McKay responded, &quot;Well, then let them reach for it!&quot; I fear we&#039;ve lost that spirit.

My wife and I have decided to re-read &lt;em&gt;Women of Covenant&lt;/em&gt; in our area&#039;s reading group next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strongly agree with Kristine.</p>
<p>I also think Women of Covenant should have been used as the book.what a gem</p>
<p>Ardis&#8217;s comments remind me of a story from David O McKay&#8217;s life, as told through Prince&#8217;s bio: McKay wanted one of Nibley&#8217;s book as curriculum for the next year&#8217;s church meetings. The Sunday School board then took the book, gutted it, and made it &#8220;approachable&#8221; for the average member. Nibley complained about it to McKay, who in turn complained about it to the Board. The Board then said, &#8220;But Pres McKay, it will be over everyone&#8217;s head!&#8221; McKay responded, &#8220;Well, then let them reach for it!&#8221; I fear we&#8217;ve lost that spirit.</p>
<p>My wife and I have decided to re-read <em>Women of Covenant</em> in our area&#8217;s reading group next year.</p>
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously, you should look for an agent and consider writing your own book (if you haven&#039;t already).  From what you&#039;ve written here, it&#039;s clear that you have the ideas and expertise to write something that (wouldn&#039;t be canonized as a manual, but) would be a valuable faithful resource.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, you should look for an agent and consider writing your own book (if you haven&#8217;t already).  From what you&#8217;ve written here, it&#8217;s clear that you have the ideas and expertise to write something that (wouldn&#8217;t be canonized as a manual, but) would be a valuable faithful resource.</p>
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