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	<title>Comments on: His Father&#8217;s Son &#8212; Chapter 6</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[. . .Then Richard III will sell the Stradivarius to pay for the two plastic surgeries and save the farm from foreclosure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>. . .Then Richard III will sell the Stradivarius to pay for the two plastic surgeries and save the farm from foreclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: SilverRain</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/06/17/his-fathers-son-chapter-6/comment-page-1/#comment-73273</link>
		<dc:creator>SilverRain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 19:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Probably seeds for cobless corn.

But they never opened the trunk, so now we&#039;ll never have it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably seeds for cobless corn.</p>
<p>But they never opened the trunk, so now we&#8217;ll never have it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommie Dearest</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/06/17/his-fathers-son-chapter-6/comment-page-1/#comment-73006</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommie Dearest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 07:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I gotta hand it to Ivy -- for all the goofiness and variable deficits unearthed by our collective scrutiny, I&#039;m hooked. I have to know what happens to everybody, and what&#039;s in that trunk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta hand it to Ivy &#8212; for all the goofiness and variable deficits unearthed by our collective scrutiny, I&#8217;m hooked. I have to know what happens to everybody, and what&#8217;s in that trunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/06/17/his-fathers-son-chapter-6/comment-page-1/#comment-72876</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, is Kareen going to do something totally ridiculous/life threatening/deadly to get a Strataverious violin, only to find out that there is one in the trunk?  That&#039;s my call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is Kareen going to do something totally ridiculous/life threatening/deadly to get a Strataverious violin, only to find out that there is one in the trunk?  That&#8217;s my call.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clark, since the family all expected Esther to marry Oliver, I doubt they considered her their *daughter* else she would have been marrying her own brother.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, since the family all expected Esther to marry Oliver, I doubt they considered her their *daughter* else she would have been marrying her own brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#13: are we to understand that Esther wasn&#039;t sealed to the Havens?  Most of the Mormon families I&#039;m familiar with seal their adopted children to them.

And #1 and #3 hit the nail on the head.  Among the tragedies of this story is that everyone is forcing their vision of a &quot;successful life&quot; onto those around them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#13: are we to understand that Esther wasn&#8217;t sealed to the Havens?  Most of the Mormon families I&#8217;m familiar with seal their adopted children to them.</p>
<p>And #1 and #3 hit the nail on the head.  Among the tragedies of this story is that everyone is forcing their vision of a &#8220;successful life&#8221; onto those around them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What?  He didn&#039;t want to invent a tomato with the flavor of cardboard and the texture of a turnip?  Where&#039;s his sense of adventure?

And that lawyer Sleed?  Where&#039;d he get that name--from Dickens?  And what a draftsman!  &quot;I want my boy should . . . &quot;  That alone should be grounds for disbarring him.  

And, for all the thriving music stores in Utah (I won&#039;t dispute Researcher&#039;s assertion--a great music store around the corner from Carnegie Hall just closed, for crying out loud!), I&#039;m afraid that the general attitude is the same as the  Haven family--it ain&#039;t quite proper.  Real boys play football.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?  He didn&#8217;t want to invent a tomato with the flavor of cardboard and the texture of a turnip?  Where&#8217;s his sense of adventure?</p>
<p>And that lawyer Sleed?  Where&#8217;d he get that name&#8211;from Dickens?  And what a draftsman!  &#8220;I want my boy should . . . &#8221;  That alone should be grounds for disbarring him.  </p>
<p>And, for all the thriving music stores in Utah (I won&#8217;t dispute Researcher&#8217;s assertion&#8211;a great music store around the corner from Carnegie Hall just closed, for crying out loud!), I&#8217;m afraid that the general attitude is the same as the  Haven family&#8211;it ain&#8217;t quite proper.  Real boys play football.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the marriage in the bedroom:

Some of you may recall the story of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/01/15/eulah-marie-jewett-queen-for-a-day-daughter-forever/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eulah Marie Jewett&lt;/a&gt;, the young woman who had been kidnapped from Salt Lake City as a baby. She joined the church in the 1950s, and her report said she was especially anxious to find her real family because she couldn&#039;t receive her endowment without knowing her parents&#039; names. I didn&#039;t know then -- still don&#039;t -- whether that was really church policy then, or whether she misunderstood what she was told. As odd as it seems, it&#039;s possible that that was policy -- for many years, single women or women married to non-members couldn&#039;t receive their endowments because they couldn&#039;t be sealed to husbands; perhaps the same rule was in effect if you couldn&#039;t be sealed to your parents.

I started today trying to find out whether that really was policy after all, after reading this installment of this wonderfully dreadful story written in the &#039;30s.

Eulah Marie didn&#039;t know her parents because she had been kidnapped. Esther (although fictional) doesn&#039;t know her parents because she was a foundling. If that really was church policy, Esther couldn&#039;t have been married in the temple, explaining why she was married at home. If that&#039;s the case Ivy Stone wouldn&#039;t have needed to explain that -- most of her readers at the time would have known that and taken it for granted.

I don&#039;t know how soon I&#039;ll have the answer. I&#039;ll let you know either way -- will probably write a separate post about it, if it proves to be true. In that case, this silly serial will have resulted in our learning something new. If false, I&#039;ll be able to add a note to Eulah Marie&#039;s story correcting her report.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the marriage in the bedroom:</p>
<p>Some of you may recall the story of <a href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/01/15/eulah-marie-jewett-queen-for-a-day-daughter-forever/" rel="nofollow">Eulah Marie Jewett</a>, the young woman who had been kidnapped from Salt Lake City as a baby. She joined the church in the 1950s, and her report said she was especially anxious to find her real family because she couldn&#8217;t receive her endowment without knowing her parents&#8217; names. I didn&#8217;t know then &#8212; still don&#8217;t &#8212; whether that was really church policy then, or whether she misunderstood what she was told. As odd as it seems, it&#8217;s possible that that was policy &#8212; for many years, single women or women married to non-members couldn&#8217;t receive their endowments because they couldn&#8217;t be sealed to husbands; perhaps the same rule was in effect if you couldn&#8217;t be sealed to your parents.</p>
<p>I started today trying to find out whether that really was policy after all, after reading this installment of this wonderfully dreadful story written in the &#8217;30s.</p>
<p>Eulah Marie didn&#8217;t know her parents because she had been kidnapped. Esther (although fictional) doesn&#8217;t know her parents because she was a foundling. If that really was church policy, Esther couldn&#8217;t have been married in the temple, explaining why she was married at home. If that&#8217;s the case Ivy Stone wouldn&#8217;t have needed to explain that &#8212; most of her readers at the time would have known that and taken it for granted.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how soon I&#8217;ll have the answer. I&#8217;ll let you know either way &#8212; will probably write a separate post about it, if it proves to be true. In that case, this silly serial will have resulted in our learning something new. If false, I&#8217;ll be able to add a note to Eulah Marie&#8217;s story correcting her report.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/06/17/his-fathers-son-chapter-6/comment-page-1/#comment-72732</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oops, either don&#039;t know how to post links here or forgot they were maybe not allowed? Anywho you can find the Burbank essay at archive.org.

[I edited your link to make it work, Mina. Thanks for the link.--AEP]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops, either don&#8217;t know how to post links here or forgot they were maybe not allowed? Anywho you can find the Burbank essay at archive.org.</p>
<p>[I edited your link to make it work, Mina. Thanks for the link.--AEP]</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me also add my two bits to how fascinating the life and work of Luther Burbank are. However, as per his eugenics in &quot;The Training of the Human Plant,&quot; I doubt he would approve of any of the couplings in this story. If you&#039;re interested the entire text of that essay can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.archive.org/details/trainingofhumanp00burbiala&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me also add my two bits to how fascinating the life and work of Luther Burbank are. However, as per his eugenics in &#8220;The Training of the Human Plant,&#8221; I doubt he would approve of any of the couplings in this story. If you&#8217;re interested the entire text of that essay can be found <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/trainingofhumanp00burbiala" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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