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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62242</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 23:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, J. Interesting read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, J. Interesting read.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62197</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stirling had a nice write-up on British Israelism at BCC a while back:

http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/02/15/british-israelism/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stirling had a nice write-up on British Israelism at BCC a while back:</p>
<p><a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/02/15/british-israelism/" rel="nofollow">http://bycommonconsent.com/2006/02/15/british-israelism/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62173</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 18:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ardis for that information on the British/Israelite issue. I guess when there is no definitive answers for specific questions, some Mormons like to make up ones that promote their own view points. Or is it all people like to do that!?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ardis for that information on the British/Israelite issue. I guess when there is no definitive answers for specific questions, some Mormons like to make up ones that promote their own view points. Or is it all people like to do that!?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62170</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 18:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cliff, we do teach that the blood of Israel is to be found everywhere, including Britain. 

&quot;British Israelism&quot; is a variant that is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; taught by the Church (there are, however, talks by some general authorities in the early/mid-20th century -- Anthony W. Ivins, for instance -- that leave no doubt that some did teach it at one time). British Israelism as the term is usually used today is the notion that the Lost Ten Tribes migrated to Britain, and/or that Jesus Christ had a wife and daughter who came to Britain after the crucifixion and set up a kingdom there, and/or that the British royal family has a divine right to rule because they are direct descendants and legal heirs of King David. (All the &quot;and/or&#039;s&quot; are because various people who subscribe to the theory of British Israelism have differing ideas about the details.)

The main problem with British Israelism, IMO -- aside from the fact that there is nothing but legend to support any of it -- is that in the 21st century, the chief proponents of British Israelism are white supremacists (they usually label it &quot;Christian Identity&quot;). It&#039;s hard to advance any theory of British Israelism even as a pleasant fantasy akin to leprechauns and Santa Claus, without people assuming that you accept the whole white supremacist philosophy. Even worse is the risk that in researching and promoting the idea, people might unwittingly adopt some of the tenets and rationalizations for white supremacy without realizing the implications of what they&#039;re saying.

IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff, we do teach that the blood of Israel is to be found everywhere, including Britain. </p>
<p>&#8220;British Israelism&#8221; is a variant that is <em>not</em> taught by the Church (there are, however, talks by some general authorities in the early/mid-20th century &#8212; Anthony W. Ivins, for instance &#8212; that leave no doubt that some did teach it at one time). British Israelism as the term is usually used today is the notion that the Lost Ten Tribes migrated to Britain, and/or that Jesus Christ had a wife and daughter who came to Britain after the crucifixion and set up a kingdom there, and/or that the British royal family has a divine right to rule because they are direct descendants and legal heirs of King David. (All the &#8220;and/or&#8217;s&#8221; are because various people who subscribe to the theory of British Israelism have differing ideas about the details.)</p>
<p>The main problem with British Israelism, IMO &#8212; aside from the fact that there is nothing but legend to support any of it &#8212; is that in the 21st century, the chief proponents of British Israelism are white supremacists (they usually label it &#8220;Christian Identity&#8221;). It&#8217;s hard to advance any theory of British Israelism even as a pleasant fantasy akin to leprechauns and Santa Claus, without people assuming that you accept the whole white supremacist philosophy. Even worse is the risk that in researching and promoting the idea, people might unwittingly adopt some of the tenets and rationalizations for white supremacy without realizing the implications of what they&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 17:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think it probably does happen that siblings are declared of different lineages sometimes, although I’m not sure why I think that or how reliable the thought is — patriarchal blessings aren’t usually/shouldn’t be publicly available in large enough numbers to do a valid study, and so much of what we hear about what’s in other people’s blessings is bunk. I’m not sure how we’d know, unless it occurred in your own family so you could see the actual blessings for verification&quot;

I had a companion on my mission whose family was Jewish (he, his mother and one sister had converted to Mormonism) and he and his sister were from differing tribes.

Forgive my ignorance, and maybe Ardis has posted something on the British Israelite thought some time before I started reading her blog, I have heard that recently, is it not true?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it probably does happen that siblings are declared of different lineages sometimes, although I’m not sure why I think that or how reliable the thought is — patriarchal blessings aren’t usually/shouldn’t be publicly available in large enough numbers to do a valid study, and so much of what we hear about what’s in other people’s blessings is bunk. I’m not sure how we’d know, unless it occurred in your own family so you could see the actual blessings for verification&#8221;</p>
<p>I had a companion on my mission whose family was Jewish (he, his mother and one sister had converted to Mormonism) and he and his sister were from differing tribes.</p>
<p>Forgive my ignorance, and maybe Ardis has posted something on the British Israelite thought some time before I started reading her blog, I have heard that recently, is it not true?</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 17:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of these questions are coming from somewhere.  
&lt;em&gt;Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith&lt;/em&gt;, mentions that Shem and Melchesidek are the same.  Comment 3 provides basis for the marriage question, and #9 on the baptismal prayers.

And yes, the question of what proportion of American Indians have Lamanite blood is especially valid today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these questions are coming from somewhere.<br />
<em>Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith</em>, mentions that Shem and Melchesidek are the same.  Comment 3 provides basis for the marriage question, and #9 on the baptismal prayers.</p>
<p>And yes, the question of what proportion of American Indians have Lamanite blood is especially valid today.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62151</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did a double take on the question about sealing children in the second marriage and revisited some of the older handbooks.  I think the answer is assuming the first marriage was not in the temple.

In the nineteenth century there were several different prayers in use for various baptisms, so the question isn&#039;t coming out of nowhere.

And a nice dodge on the feet washing question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a double take on the question about sealing children in the second marriage and revisited some of the older handbooks.  I think the answer is assuming the first marriage was not in the temple.</p>
<p>In the nineteenth century there were several different prayers in use for various baptisms, so the question isn&#8217;t coming out of nowhere.</p>
<p>And a nice dodge on the feet washing question.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62136</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think so, Clark -- the question about the ancestry of the American Indians is a good example of that evolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think so, Clark &#8212; the question about the ancestry of the American Indians is a good example of that evolution.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of fun stuff here.  Re#2 and the Geneologies to Adam, John Hamer&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/08/27/147-generations/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post on the topic&lt;/a&gt; at BCC is a good read.

I know of siblings from different tribes, and have heard it explained that it&#039;s proportionate to bloodlines (e.g. 90% Ephraim=9 of 10 kids from Ephraim.)  However, I suspect that the &quot;We do not know&quot; answer is both more succinct and more correct.

I think that many of these topics would have received a different answer had they been asked in 1888 instead of 1948, specifically the baptism prayer and Shem=Melchezedek questions. ...But it&#039;s the evolution of the &quot;correct&quot; answers that makes these posts worth reading, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of fun stuff here.  Re#2 and the Geneologies to Adam, John Hamer&#8217;s <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2008/08/27/147-generations/" rel="nofollow">post on the topic</a> at BCC is a good read.</p>
<p>I know of siblings from different tribes, and have heard it explained that it&#8217;s proportionate to bloodlines (e.g. 90% Ephraim=9 of 10 kids from Ephraim.)  However, I suspect that the &#8220;We do not know&#8221; answer is both more succinct and more correct.</p>
<p>I think that many of these topics would have received a different answer had they been asked in 1888 instead of 1948, specifically the baptism prayer and Shem=Melchezedek questions. &#8230;But it&#8217;s the evolution of the &#8220;correct&#8221; answers that makes these posts worth reading, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/05/03/questions-from-the-grass-roots-1948-16/comment-page-1/#comment-62127</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coffinberry, we believe in continuing revelation, don&#039;t we?! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coffinberry, we believe in continuing revelation, don&#8217;t we?! <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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