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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 00:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was explained to me that the blood testing was to make you aware of the &quot;Rh factor&quot; problem if you have that particular combination of blood types.  Positive father and negative mother could be very dangerous to a baby.  But STD information was mentioned as a precaution.

I liked that he pointed out that it seemed sneaky to try to avoid it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was explained to me that the blood testing was to make you aware of the &#8220;Rh factor&#8221; problem if you have that particular combination of blood types.  Positive father and negative mother could be very dangerous to a baby.  But STD information was mentioned as a precaution.</p>
<p>I liked that he pointed out that it seemed sneaky to try to avoid it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jami</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 18:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The missionaries who baptized me gave me &lt;i&gt;Added Upon&lt;/i&gt; as a baptism present. And a certain musical came to town right around then. And I was 15. Let&#039;s just say it was a bit of shock to figure out that &quot;there was no revelation on this subject.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The missionaries who baptized me gave me <i>Added Upon</i> as a baptism present. And a certain musical came to town right around then. And I was 15. Let&#8217;s just say it was a bit of shock to figure out that &#8220;there was no revelation on this subject.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 20:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark B. (#14): I&#039;m Facebook-conditioned enough that i read your second paragraph and immediately looked for the &#8220;Like&#8221; button.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark B. (#14): I&#8217;m Facebook-conditioned enough that i read your second paragraph and immediately looked for the &ldquo;Like&rdquo; button.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 19:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is Utah County really the home of church-related multi-level marketing schemes.  Oh, yeah.  How could I have forgotten Nu-Scam!

And as to Saturday&#039;s Warriors, all lawyers with a passing knowledge of ancient law should remember that there&#039;s lex talionis, lex naturae and lex de acevedo.

I suspect that the requirement for blood tests before temple sealings applied to those whose sealings followed immediately after their civil marriage, which was permitted in those days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Utah County really the home of church-related multi-level marketing schemes.  Oh, yeah.  How could I have forgotten Nu-Scam!</p>
<p>And as to Saturday&#8217;s Warriors, all lawyers with a passing knowledge of ancient law should remember that there&#8217;s lex talionis, lex naturae and lex de acevedo.</p>
<p>I suspect that the requirement for blood tests before temple sealings applied to those whose sealings followed immediately after their civil marriage, which was permitted in those days.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a really interesting set. 

I thought the blood test thing was &lt;a href=&quot;http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/Rh_system.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;for having kids&lt;/a&gt;. Looks like it was discovered in 1940, so it seems to match with the 1941 law.
When I got married (late 90&#039;s) in Idaho, it was required to state your blood type, but nobody was going to prohibit marriage on that basis.  It was just to alert you to the potential problem if kids were in the future.

I love the answer to the &quot;did we choose our parents&quot; question.  I am aware of several individuals whose patriarchal blessings mention commitments and relationships formed in the preexistence, FWIW.

And yes, the &quot;using the Church for business dealings&#039; answer was also a classic.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a really interesting set. </p>
<p>I thought the blood test thing was <a href="http://anthro.palomar.edu/blood/Rh_system.htm" rel="nofollow">for having kids</a>. Looks like it was discovered in 1940, so it seems to match with the 1941 law.<br />
When I got married (late 90&#8242;s) in Idaho, it was required to state your blood type, but nobody was going to prohibit marriage on that basis.  It was just to alert you to the potential problem if kids were in the future.</p>
<p>I love the answer to the &#8220;did we choose our parents&#8221; question.  I am aware of several individuals whose patriarchal blessings mention commitments and relationships formed in the preexistence, FWIW.</p>
<p>And yes, the &#8220;using the Church for business dealings&#8217; answer was also a classic.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am cautious of things people suggest about the pre-existance anyway.  There is really very little we do know doctrinally (Saturday&#039;s Warriors notwithstanding).

When my wife and I got married in L.A., California required a blood test.  When we went to get our license, they didn&#039;t accept my blood test since it was out of state (and this was a couple of days before our marriage).  We finally found a judge who exempted that for us and issued the license.  But now I wonder, is our sealing invalid??? Are we not really married???  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am cautious of things people suggest about the pre-existance anyway.  There is really very little we do know doctrinally (Saturday&#8217;s Warriors notwithstanding).</p>
<p>When my wife and I got married in L.A., California required a blood test.  When we went to get our license, they didn&#8217;t accept my blood test since it was out of state (and this was a couple of days before our marriage).  We finally found a judge who exempted that for us and issued the license.  But now I wonder, is our sealing invalid??? Are we not really married???  <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jacob M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, Ardis, you shouldn&#039;t have tried to crush her testimony. :)

My first thought about the blood test was the race thing, but then I realized that they probably couldn&#039;t tell someone&#039;s race via blood that long ago.

My question to the answerer would be, what about someone whose falsely convicted of murder?  It has been known to happen over the years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Ardis, you shouldn&#8217;t have tried to crush her testimony. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My first thought about the blood test was the race thing, but then I realized that they probably couldn&#8217;t tell someone&#8217;s race via blood that long ago.</p>
<p>My question to the answerer would be, what about someone whose falsely convicted of murder?  It has been known to happen over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The business solicitations? I just got the latest in a series of multi-level-marketing-related emails from someone at church. Why oh why. I thought I lived far enough from Utah County to avoid this sort of thing.

And on the subject of Saturday&#039;s Warrior, I tried to watch a production of that a couple of years ago on BYU TV to see if it was something I wanted to show my kids (a piece of my childhood and all that) but it was so horrid that I couldn&#039;t bear to watch more than about five minutes of it. I sure hope BYU TV isn&#039;t still showing it since it violates most of the provisions of the 13th Article of Faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The business solicitations? I just got the latest in a series of multi-level-marketing-related emails from someone at church. Why oh why. I thought I lived far enough from Utah County to avoid this sort of thing.</p>
<p>And on the subject of Saturday&#8217;s Warrior, I tried to watch a production of that a couple of years ago on BYU TV to see if it was something I wanted to show my kids (a piece of my childhood and all that) but it was so horrid that I couldn&#8217;t bear to watch more than about five minutes of it. I sure hope BYU TV isn&#8217;t still showing it since it violates most of the provisions of the 13th Article of Faith.</p>
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		<title>By: David B</title>
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		<dc:creator>David B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#8594;I wonder if the ink question was asked by someone who thought all ancient scriptures must have been kept on metal plates. (That&#8217;s something that i&#8217;ve actually heard a handful of Mormons claim. Happily, they&#8217;ve always been gently corrected every time i&#8217;ve seen that.)

&#8594;The clerical undertaking necessary to track members back when it was all pen and paper boggles my mind. Yeah, there were fewer members then, but still.

&#8594;Yes, blood tests for marriage licenses were to test for STDs, and they&#8217;re still required by a large but slowly shrinking number of states. Maryland hasn&#8217;t ever required them, as far as i can tell, which means that marriage in the Washington&#160;DC temple (which is actually in Kensington, Maryland) has never required a blood test. If i read this answer right, though, a Mormon couple from Maryland (not that there would have been many at this time) would still have had to get a blood test to be sealed. Interesting situation of extending Utah&#8217;s norms and customs (and laws!) to Mormons outside of that state.

&#8594;Interesting differences between current and past practices regarding church membership and criminal conviction.

&#8594;&#8220;Any business or social scheme which requires bolstering by argument based on Church doctrine or history is one of which the people may well be careful.&#8221; I am &lt;b&gt;so&lt;/b&gt; going to memorize this quote and use it.

&#8594;The church&#8217;s &lt;i&gt;Handbook&lt;/i&gt; has at times painfully legalistic rules for what times church activities can begin and end. Given that questions like whether they can start midnight Sunday/Monday night have come up in the past, i guess i can understand why a bit better now.

&#8594;And finally, how can they say we have no revelation on whether we chose our parents? We have &lt;i&gt;Saturday&#8217;s Warrior&lt;/i&gt;, don&#8217;t we?&#160;;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&rarr;I wonder if the ink question was asked by someone who thought all ancient scriptures must have been kept on metal plates. (That&rsquo;s something that i&rsquo;ve actually heard a handful of Mormons claim. Happily, they&rsquo;ve always been gently corrected every time i&rsquo;ve seen that.)</p>
<p>&rarr;The clerical undertaking necessary to track members back when it was all pen and paper boggles my mind. Yeah, there were fewer members then, but still.</p>
<p>&rarr;Yes, blood tests for marriage licenses were to test for STDs, and they&rsquo;re still required by a large but slowly shrinking number of states. Maryland hasn&rsquo;t ever required them, as far as i can tell, which means that marriage in the Washington&nbsp;DC temple (which is actually in Kensington, Maryland) has never required a blood test. If i read this answer right, though, a Mormon couple from Maryland (not that there would have been many at this time) would still have had to get a blood test to be sealed. Interesting situation of extending Utah&rsquo;s norms and customs (and laws!) to Mormons outside of that state.</p>
<p>&rarr;Interesting differences between current and past practices regarding church membership and criminal conviction.</p>
<p>&rarr;&ldquo;Any business or social scheme which requires bolstering by argument based on Church doctrine or history is one of which the people may well be careful.&rdquo; I am <b>so</b> going to memorize this quote and use it.</p>
<p>&rarr;The church&rsquo;s <i>Handbook</i> has at times painfully legalistic rules for what times church activities can begin and end. Given that questions like whether they can start midnight Sunday/Monday night have come up in the past, i guess i can understand why a bit better now.</p>
<p>&rarr;And finally, how can they say we have no revelation on whether we chose our parents? We have <i>Saturday&rsquo;s Warrior</i>, don&rsquo;t we?&nbsp;;)</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Apr 2011 18:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never seen anything like that, Steve, but a couple of years ago when there was a Gospel Doctrine lesson about premortality, I really stressed that we knew only X, Y, and Z from either the scriptures or prophetic teachings, and that romantic notions like A, B, and C, that we sometimes heard were not doctrinal, but came from cultural pseudo-doctrine (like Nephi Anderson&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Added Upon&lt;/em&gt;). I thought I had done a pretty good job of teaching that point ... until someone raised her hand and bore a very vehement testimony to the &quot;fact&quot; that we not only chose our parents, but we also specifically chose and approved each and every trial we would have in life. I was flabbergasted by her forcefulness -- which seemed as much directed to refuting my &quot;false&quot; teachings about what we don&#039;t know about premortality as to insisting on what she thought was truth -- and am afraid I stood there with my jaw hanging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen anything like that, Steve, but a couple of years ago when there was a Gospel Doctrine lesson about premortality, I really stressed that we knew only X, Y, and Z from either the scriptures or prophetic teachings, and that romantic notions like A, B, and C, that we sometimes heard were not doctrinal, but came from cultural pseudo-doctrine (like Nephi Anderson&#8217;s <em>Added Upon</em>). I thought I had done a pretty good job of teaching that point &#8230; until someone raised her hand and bore a very vehement testimony to the &#8220;fact&#8221; that we not only chose our parents, but we also specifically chose and approved each and every trial we would have in life. I was flabbergasted by her forcefulness &#8212; which seemed as much directed to refuting my &#8220;false&#8221; teachings about what we don&#8217;t know about premortality as to insisting on what she thought was truth &#8212; and am afraid I stood there with my jaw hanging.</p>
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