Comments on: Guest Post: “Died in the Service of Their Fatherland”: Latter-day Saints in Germany, World War I — part 2 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/ Where our past is never very long ago Sat, 25 May 2013 06:15:15 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-82305 Ardis E. Parshall Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:36:41 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-82305 Mark, we’d have to check New Family Search name by name to be sure, but there’s a possibility that the temple work has been done. This is exactly the time that procedures were being developed to do the work for faithful Saints who died “in the mission field.” It would have taken some time, and there could easily be people who slipped through the cracks, while those procedures were being established.

How about searching the names of your Frankfurt am Main Ward elders and seeing what you find? A report, whatever turns up, would be a great guest post of interest to Keepa readers.

]]> By: Mark McKenzie http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-82303 Mark McKenzie Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:28:45 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-82303 I have had the opportunity to look through all the 1914-1918 German Stern Magazines and have seen so many death notices. I one collected all the Frankfurt am Main Ward’s death notices and there were so many that I am guessing that most of the Elders quorum must have been killed. I am wondering if the Temple work has been done for them for as there was no Temple in Europe they would not have had the chance to take out their endowments.

]]> By: Steve C. http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53947 Steve C. Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:36:13 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53947 Bruder Wagner age is of interest. He died during the last year of the war at a time when the Germans were gambling trying to win the war. They had just knocked the Russians out of the war and threw everything they had on the Western Front–i.e. the Ludendorff offensive. Given the losses the German had suffered during the war, by the spring of 1918, the Germans were filling the gaps with any and every one they could find including young teens and old men. That said, 70 years old does seem quite old to be on the front lines.

I found Thilo Fritsche’s bio interesting as well. It stated that he was baptized in May 1915. This is proof positive that missionary work continued after the beginning of the war carried out by the locals. Way to go!

]]> By: J. Stapley http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53886 J. Stapley Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:00:30 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53886 I found the short bits of commentary on a few of the notices especially touching. Thanks for putting this up.

]]> By: Amy T http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53848 Amy T Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:53:09 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53848 I’m glad to see that you’ve noticed some of the same things I found interesting.

In more peaceful times, Heinrich Wilhelm Rubow who died in the French prison “infolge eines Herzschusses,” may have been returning from a mission or thinking about starting a family.

I wondered if Brother Wagner’s birth date could be wrong, but the only place I could find him was on New Family Search, and that information seemed to be from these death notices. The Archives has two different copies of the Stern online, and one of the copies has check marks next to each man listed in these soldier death notices. Seventy is an awfully advanced age to be involved in a war.

The note about Karl Edwin Hornickel, “the youngest son of our beloved branch president in Zwickau and lived according to his beliefs to the day of his death,” is reminiscent in its language to the letters written to the Stern from the front. Hopefully we’ll be able to translate and post more of those.

]]> By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53868 Ardis E. Parshall Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:40:40 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53868 Hopefully we’ll be able to translate and post more of those.

yesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyesyes!!!

]]> By: kevinf http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53837 kevinf Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:49:00 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53837 David,

I took note of that as well for Heinrich Wilhelm Rubow. It would appear that he may have been executed while in a prisoner of war camp for some unspecified reason.

As to the missing, I suspect that there may have been many more missing, just not yet declared dead. I suspect as time went on that there were many more notices regarding those who had gone missing, and after a year were declared dead.

As always a sobering reminder of how our religion cuts across many national boundaries, and should help us to remember not to demonize our enemies.

]]> By: David Y. http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53800 David Y. Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:10:20 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53800 Wow — this is bittersweet. I thought the description of the one death (“[died] as the result of a shot to the heart”) was as upsetting as the line of sympathy (“[m]ay the Lord richly bless them and strengthen their belief in a glorious resurrection”) was encouraging.

]]> By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53792 Ardis E. Parshall Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:44:56 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53792 I note Franz Albert Bühring. Most (not all) of these men are reported with specific dates and even causes of death, whereas Franz has been missing for more than a year but is now presumed to be dead.

]]> By: Mark B. http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/03/22/guest-post-%e2%80%9cdied-in-the-service-of-their-fatherland%e2%80%9d-latter-day-saints-in-germany-world-war-i-%e2%80%94-part-2/comment-page-1/#comment-53783 Mark B. Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:21:56 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=11580#comment-53783 Thanks again, Amy.

I wondered, though, about Hermann Ludwig Wagner, who would have been 70 years old when he died. He was a year younger than Field Marshal Hindenburg, the Chief of the General Staff–but I’d be interested in knowing how many others that age were still on active duty in the German Army at that time. Was Brother Wagner one of them?

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