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	<title>Comments on: I Have More Questions, 1894</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40640</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, J. Stapley!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, J. Stapley!</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40501</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 03:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...also, Clark, Kris&#039;s and my &lt;a href=&quot;http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1664187&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;piece&lt;/a&gt; on the development of Mormon healing ritual goes through the early oil usage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;also, Clark, Kris&#8217;s and my <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1664187" rel="nofollow">piece</a> on the development of Mormon healing ritual goes through the early oil usage.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40500</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 03:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know how many accounts of healing I&#039;ve come across...a lot...and I think I have only maybe 3 or 4 examples of people actually blessing themselves (though as Ardis is right that self application of consecrated oil was very common, drinking, rubbing, etc.).

Clark, Kris Wright, presented at MHA a couple of years ago on consecrated oil and Mormon community; I&#039;d love to see that published.  It looks like I may also be working a history of consecrated oil or anointing for an edited volume.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how many accounts of healing I&#8217;ve come across&#8230;a lot&#8230;and I think I have only maybe 3 or 4 examples of people actually blessing themselves (though as Ardis is right that self application of consecrated oil was very common, drinking, rubbing, etc.).</p>
<p>Clark, Kris Wright, presented at MHA a couple of years ago on consecrated oil and Mormon community; I&#8217;d love to see that published.  It looks like I may also be working a history of consecrated oil or anointing for an edited volume.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40466</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first question addressed &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/02/25/i-have-a-question-1894/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; -- coincidentally also from 1894 -- can be explained by realizing that the girl was rubbing oil on her throat, or perhaps swallowing it to put it on her throat from the inside, without any kind of ritual or priesthood involvement (beyond the original blessing of the oil, anyway).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first question addressed <a href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/02/25/i-have-a-question-1894/" rel="nofollow">here</a> &#8212; coincidentally also from 1894 &#8212; can be explained by realizing that the girl was rubbing oil on her throat, or perhaps swallowing it to put it on her throat from the inside, without any kind of ritual or priesthood involvement (beyond the original blessing of the oil, anyway).</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40464</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J. Stapley has written on this a few times -- this one (&lt;a href=&quot;http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/17/consecrated-oil-as-medical-therapy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Consecrated Oil as Medical Therapy&lt;/a&gt;) comes to mind, but he&#039;s also slipped little bits of history into other posts and comments.

J., is there another of your posts that you would recommend as a general overall historic view?

(The Brigham Young post with the head scratcher is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/01/random-reasons-why-i-like-brigham-young-three/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;; I can see why that puzzled you, Clark, if you hadn&#039;t realized that oil was ever used other than a few drops on the crown of the head. In that specific context, the oil no doubt was intended to be helpful as a lubricant, too.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Stapley has written on this a few times &#8212; this one (<a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2007/04/17/consecrated-oil-as-medical-therapy/" rel="nofollow">Consecrated Oil as Medical Therapy</a>) comes to mind, but he&#8217;s also slipped little bits of history into other posts and comments.</p>
<p>J., is there another of your posts that you would recommend as a general overall historic view?</p>
<p>(The Brigham Young post with the head scratcher is <a href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/01/random-reasons-why-i-like-brigham-young-three/" rel="nofollow">here</a>; I can see why that puzzled you, Clark, if you hadn&#8217;t realized that oil was ever used other than a few drops on the crown of the head. In that specific context, the oil no doubt was intended to be helpful as a lubricant, too.)</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we get a post on historic consecrated oil uses?  (Comment 18 sheds light on the &quot;What-I-Like-About-Brigham&quot; post a few months back that left me scratching my head.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we get a post on historic consecrated oil uses?  (Comment 18 sheds light on the &#8220;What-I-Like-About-Brigham&#8221; post a few months back that left me scratching my head.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40452</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[round dancing = waltzes and other ballroom dances that we see as uber-wholesome today, but which a hundred-and-something years ago meant that a Stranger With Evil Intent And Probably A Flask In His Hip Pocket could put his arm around the waist of an Innocent Mormon Maiden Wearing A Thin Dancing Dress and give her a little squeeze. They were called round dances, I guess, because couples spun freely around the dance floor rather than standing in formal squares and (reel) lines.

We&#039;ve never had the practice of people performing blessings on themselves, but consecrated oil used to be used as a sort of cure-all medicine. People drank it, and rubbed it on ailing parts without necessarily having a blessing or any other ritual along with it. I think this kind of use is what GQC is referring to.

I kind of like the neighborly view expressed here, too. I hadn&#039;t thought about it before, but I guess my mental image, which I would expect to be similar to most other people&#039;s, has been that the kingdoms occupied separate geography. When it comes right down to it, though, not enough has been revealed for us to have any clear idea of what comes next, no matter how detailed our imaginings are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>round dancing = waltzes and other ballroom dances that we see as uber-wholesome today, but which a hundred-and-something years ago meant that a Stranger With Evil Intent And Probably A Flask In His Hip Pocket could put his arm around the waist of an Innocent Mormon Maiden Wearing A Thin Dancing Dress and give her a little squeeze. They were called round dances, I guess, because couples spun freely around the dance floor rather than standing in formal squares and (reel) lines.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve never had the practice of people performing blessings on themselves, but consecrated oil used to be used as a sort of cure-all medicine. People drank it, and rubbed it on ailing parts without necessarily having a blessing or any other ritual along with it. I think this kind of use is what GQC is referring to.</p>
<p>I kind of like the neighborly view expressed here, too. I hadn&#8217;t thought about it before, but I guess my mental image, which I would expect to be similar to most other people&#8217;s, has been that the kingdoms occupied separate geography. When it comes right down to it, though, not enough has been revealed for us to have any clear idea of what comes next, no matter how detailed our imaginings are.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40449</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmmm...some interesting things here, starting with what the heck is a round dance? If square dancing is more decorous, it must really be...something.

I was also interested in the questions about blessing/healing the sick. Does the sentence: &quot;it is, however, perfectly proper and advisable for the sick to use oil for their afflictions, and God will sanctify the anointing to their good,&quot; mean that people can perform their own blessings and such? Perhaps this is common knowledge and I&#039;m just in the dark.

I was also taken with the question about telestial and terrestrial beings invading celestial space (this one probably has the most relevance for my future). The answer makes a great deal of sense and I think is a novel way to look at it, no? At least, I&#039;m used to people imagining the three kingdoms to be absolutely separate, if not distant, pieces of heavenly real estate. I must say I like George Q.&#039;s version a lot better, but that might be because it allows that I&#039;ll be able to visit with y&#039;all...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;some interesting things here, starting with what the heck is a round dance? If square dancing is more decorous, it must really be&#8230;something.</p>
<p>I was also interested in the questions about blessing/healing the sick. Does the sentence: &#8220;it is, however, perfectly proper and advisable for the sick to use oil for their afflictions, and God will sanctify the anointing to their good,&#8221; mean that people can perform their own blessings and such? Perhaps this is common knowledge and I&#8217;m just in the dark.</p>
<p>I was also taken with the question about telestial and terrestrial beings invading celestial space (this one probably has the most relevance for my future). The answer makes a great deal of sense and I think is a novel way to look at it, no? At least, I&#8217;m used to people imagining the three kingdoms to be absolutely separate, if not distant, pieces of heavenly real estate. I must say I like George Q.&#8217;s version a lot better, but that might be because it allows that I&#8217;ll be able to visit with y&#8217;all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So if we summed this up, the major question would be:

&quot;How many lawyers can round dance on the head of a pin?&quot;

I&#039;ve been to some of the junior high dances at my wife&#039;s school where she teaches.  In some aspects, it&#039;s like a stake dance with looser dress standards, but every so often, you see things that make even my head explode.  And as the spouse of a teacher, I have exactly no authority, except to stop the 7th grade boys from running in the gym with an open can of Pepsi.  I say, bring back the round dances!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if we summed this up, the major question would be:</p>
<p>&#8220;How many lawyers can round dance on the head of a pin?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been to some of the junior high dances at my wife&#8217;s school where she teaches.  In some aspects, it&#8217;s like a stake dance with looser dress standards, but every so often, you see things that make even my head explode.  And as the spouse of a teacher, I have exactly no authority, except to stop the 7th grade boys from running in the gym with an open can of Pepsi.  I say, bring back the round dances!</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2011/01/05/i-have-more-questions-1894/comment-page-1/#comment-40431</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I liked the question about who -- young men or young women -- had the responsibility to stop round dances. It seems to indicate that even that long ago people were acting as though it was the woman&#039;s responsibility to keep a man moral, and for just as long we&#039;ve been saying that that isn&#039;t so. Still, the idea hangs on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the question about who &#8212; young men or young women &#8212; had the responsibility to stop round dances. It seems to indicate that even that long ago people were acting as though it was the woman&#8217;s responsibility to keep a man moral, and for just as long we&#8217;ve been saying that that isn&#8217;t so. Still, the idea hangs on.</p>
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