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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 03:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was actually a bit surprised by the comments about home life, as I wouldn&#039;t perhaps have expected it this early in the century.

I&#039;ve seen references to sex education during and a little after this period in the Church.  E.g., that it was an RS responsibility in the 1920s.  However, I&#039;ve never seen any of the instructional materials before.  It is really quite interesting.  The lesson seems fairly consistent with the standard medical treatments of the period, with which I am familiar (though I would have to go back and check to make sure).  That is to say that I don&#039;t think the scientific approach is particularly &quot;Mormon.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was actually a bit surprised by the comments about home life, as I wouldn&#8217;t perhaps have expected it this early in the century.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen references to sex education during and a little after this period in the Church.  E.g., that it was an RS responsibility in the 1920s.  However, I&#8217;ve never seen any of the instructional materials before.  It is really quite interesting.  The lesson seems fairly consistent with the standard medical treatments of the period, with which I am familiar (though I would have to go back and check to make sure).  That is to say that I don&#8217;t think the scientific approach is particularly &#8220;Mormon.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Glauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Glauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 01:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also thought that the encouragement to be like &quot;savages&quot; was odd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also thought that the encouragement to be like &#8220;savages&#8221; was odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:20:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Caution to commenters: Keepa has a tradition that is much gentler and more conservative than many &#039;nacle blogs. Please respect that tradition; when in doubt, please err on the side of stuffy, boring, and I-can&#039;t-believe-they-expect-me-to-wear-pantyhose-to-church oppression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caution to commenters: Keepa has a tradition that is much gentler and more conservative than many &#8216;nacle blogs. Please respect that tradition; when in doubt, please err on the side of stuffy, boring, and I-can&#8217;t-believe-they-expect-me-to-wear-pantyhose-to-church oppression.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just a few points that I found extremely telling of the time. &quot;Woman naturally is stronger in endurance than man; and yet today untold numbers of them are physical wrecks&quot;.  In Mary Wollstonecraft&#039;s A Vindication on the Rights of Woman; she centers on the idea that the employ of reason counters the argument that women and men are inherently unequal. The subjugation of women goes against the values of virtue and reason.  A woman should be free to choose where her place is, whether within the home or without, but to state that her whole exhalted being is based on how well she keeps house and home is unfair to those of us who feel our calling lies outside that of mother and homemaker.  

Secondly, the statement that &quot;Every woman is a law unto herself&quot; is made to ensure that it is ok if your period is not the same length as everyone elses or if you happen to &quot;bloom&quot; earlier or later than others; but is not to be used as an excuse for having desires other than motherhood.  

&quot;Parties and theatres should be limited, and excessive school work should be avoided.&quot; Again in A Vindication on the Rights of Woman, Wollstonecraft uses the image of a flower planted in rich soil, &quot;strength and usefulness are sacrificed to beauty; and the falunting leaves, after having pleased a fastidious eye, fade disregarded on the stalk&quot;.  If talents of women aren&#039;t cultivated to the fullest; we will have a group of mormon women who are very capable at tending house and nothing else. Does Isaiah 3:16 bring another image of blind piety to anyone else? 

&quot;The women of Israel, the women of the orient, and savages, all rest during the menstrual period&quot;.  A guest post at Femeinist Mormon Housewives found here ( http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/?p=3404) talks about how women are often referred to in the mormon church in an air of &quot;noble savagery&quot;.  I found it interesting that the savages discribed her are the women of Isreal and those in the Orient. If those savages are able to rest during their periods, surely us much more civilized women should be able to!

The feminist in me just screams for liberation from the suppression of patriarchy and subjegation of male diction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few points that I found extremely telling of the time. &#8220;Woman naturally is stronger in endurance than man; and yet today untold numbers of them are physical wrecks&#8221;.  In Mary Wollstonecraft&#8217;s A Vindication on the Rights of Woman; she centers on the idea that the employ of reason counters the argument that women and men are inherently unequal. The subjugation of women goes against the values of virtue and reason.  A woman should be free to choose where her place is, whether within the home or without, but to state that her whole exhalted being is based on how well she keeps house and home is unfair to those of us who feel our calling lies outside that of mother and homemaker.  </p>
<p>Secondly, the statement that &#8220;Every woman is a law unto herself&#8221; is made to ensure that it is ok if your period is not the same length as everyone elses or if you happen to &#8220;bloom&#8221; earlier or later than others; but is not to be used as an excuse for having desires other than motherhood.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Parties and theatres should be limited, and excessive school work should be avoided.&#8221; Again in A Vindication on the Rights of Woman, Wollstonecraft uses the image of a flower planted in rich soil, &#8220;strength and usefulness are sacrificed to beauty; and the falunting leaves, after having pleased a fastidious eye, fade disregarded on the stalk&#8221;.  If talents of women aren&#8217;t cultivated to the fullest; we will have a group of mormon women who are very capable at tending house and nothing else. Does Isaiah 3:16 bring another image of blind piety to anyone else? </p>
<p>&#8220;The women of Israel, the women of the orient, and savages, all rest during the menstrual period&#8221;.  A guest post at Femeinist Mormon Housewives found here ( <a href="http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/?p=3404" rel="nofollow">http://www.feministmormonhousewives.org/?p=3404</a>) talks about how women are often referred to in the mormon church in an air of &#8220;noble savagery&#8221;.  I found it interesting that the savages discribed her are the women of Isreal and those in the Orient. If those savages are able to rest during their periods, surely us much more civilized women should be able to!</p>
<p>The feminist in me just screams for liberation from the suppression of patriarchy and subjegation of male diction.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the reason that they want girls to not go to parties is because they know that girls are just as interested in sex as guys at that age and would probably prove the statement that &quot;unmarried women cannot get pregnant&quot; wrong!!!  That would NEVER do.  LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the reason that they want girls to not go to parties is because they know that girls are just as interested in sex as guys at that age and would probably prove the statement that &#8220;unmarried women cannot get pregnant&#8221; wrong!!!  That would NEVER do.  LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do LDS families really take their kids out of the sex-talk health classes??  Yikes!  We never did, but sought to balance those with a discussion at home so that the health class would not come as a surprise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do LDS families really take their kids out of the sex-talk health classes??  Yikes!  We never did, but sought to balance those with a discussion at home so that the health class would not come as a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: kew</title>
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		<dc:creator>kew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really liked the line &quot;Keep the girl young and a tom-boy as long as possible&quot;, but was surprised by &quot;Then in a healthy woman the flow is not profuse, lasts no more than three days, and is without pain&quot;. It was amusing to hear what happens for married versus unmarried women.

I know many LDS families that take their children out of the special &quot;health&quot; classes at school, many of which deal with this very issue, so it might be useful. The question becomes what age to address it. My school had this class for fifth-grade girls. A lot of girls start menstruating around 12, so maybe it&#039;s better to start this lesson in Achievement Days than in Young Women? I say start, because I think it is always a good idea for people to learn more about their bodies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked the line &#8220;Keep the girl young and a tom-boy as long as possible&#8221;, but was surprised by &#8220;Then in a healthy woman the flow is not profuse, lasts no more than three days, and is without pain&#8221;. It was amusing to hear what happens for married versus unmarried women.</p>
<p>I know many LDS families that take their children out of the special &#8220;health&#8221; classes at school, many of which deal with this very issue, so it might be useful. The question becomes what age to address it. My school had this class for fifth-grade girls. A lot of girls start menstruating around 12, so maybe it&#8217;s better to start this lesson in Achievement Days than in Young Women? I say start, because I think it is always a good idea for people to learn more about their bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found the authors thoughts on menstrual pain quite perplexing. First, she states that pain-free is normal and girls with pain should strive to be pain-free. Then she suggests remedies for cramps- all of which are still recommended, by the way, except for bedrest. 

A few years ago I was living with a great, great aunt who advised me of the importance of spending the entirety of one&#039;s menstruation in bed. &quot;But you&#039;re in nursing school, so you already knew that.&quot; I just smiled and nodded. Boy have times changed since she was 15.

I think a woman&#039;s attitude toward biology as a creation of God really impacts her attitude regarding her womanhood. I cringe when I hear LDS (and other) women refer to menstruation as &quot;the curse&quot; and other such nonsense. I do think that the encouragement in this era to stay in bed, refrain from parties, etc was more driven by their understanding of women as inherently fragile/weak than by their biology, whatever they may have thought at the time. I remember having some distinctly and surprisingly (to me) feminist thoughts at my aunt&#039;s advice- I&#039;m a WOMAN! You won&#039;t keep me in bed! I can do everything the men can do, no matter what time of the month it is! and so on, so my attitudes are probably somewhat shaped by my cultural understanding of women as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the authors thoughts on menstrual pain quite perplexing. First, she states that pain-free is normal and girls with pain should strive to be pain-free. Then she suggests remedies for cramps- all of which are still recommended, by the way, except for bedrest. </p>
<p>A few years ago I was living with a great, great aunt who advised me of the importance of spending the entirety of one&#8217;s menstruation in bed. &#8220;But you&#8217;re in nursing school, so you already knew that.&#8221; I just smiled and nodded. Boy have times changed since she was 15.</p>
<p>I think a woman&#8217;s attitude toward biology as a creation of God really impacts her attitude regarding her womanhood. I cringe when I hear LDS (and other) women refer to menstruation as &#8220;the curse&#8221; and other such nonsense. I do think that the encouragement in this era to stay in bed, refrain from parties, etc was more driven by their understanding of women as inherently fragile/weak than by their biology, whatever they may have thought at the time. I remember having some distinctly and surprisingly (to me) feminist thoughts at my aunt&#8217;s advice- I&#8217;m a WOMAN! You won&#8217;t keep me in bed! I can do everything the men can do, no matter what time of the month it is! and so on, so my attitudes are probably somewhat shaped by my cultural understanding of women as well.</p>
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