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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26713</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Researcher: thanks for your summary of Joseph’s life.  He was a very complex and interesting person.  I want to reread those things you suggested to see if I can find Joseph, himself. I have been looking for an article I once read comparing the careers of Joseph Mount Tanner and Howard S. McDonald who followed Church doctrine and become polygamists and with the careers of James E. Talmage and Reed Smoot that did not, but later became leaders in the Church and apostles.  Tanner and McDonald were pushed to the fringes of the Church while Talmage and Smoot were rewarded for not following the counsel of their leaders.  I know I read the article, but cannot find where it is published.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Researcher: thanks for your summary of Joseph’s life.  He was a very complex and interesting person.  I want to reread those things you suggested to see if I can find Joseph, himself. I have been looking for an article I once read comparing the careers of Joseph Mount Tanner and Howard S. McDonald who followed Church doctrine and become polygamists and with the careers of James E. Talmage and Reed Smoot that did not, but later became leaders in the Church and apostles.  Tanner and McDonald were pushed to the fringes of the Church while Talmage and Smoot were rewarded for not following the counsel of their leaders.  I know I read the article, but cannot find where it is published.</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26704</link>
		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 10:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, Jeff, I don&#039;t know how much more I could say about Joseph M. He led a fascinating life, but I wouldn&#039;t have access to enough resources to write a post about him. 

I&#039;ve read his mother&#039;s writings, and his wife&#039;s, and his son&#039;s, but I couldn&#039;t remember if I had read anything of Joseph&#039;s until I looked in the John Tanner book (&lt;em&gt;John Tanner and His Family&lt;/em&gt;, by George S. Tanner, 1974) and saw that Joseph wrote the rather distinctive biography of his father Myron which is included in the Appendix.

There is a short biography of Joseph in the back of his mother&#039;s book &lt;em&gt;A Fragment: The Autobiography of Mary Jane Mount Tanner&lt;/em&gt;. It is available through the University of Utah Marriott Library. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/tanner&amp;CISOPTR=1726&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pages 210-214&lt;/a&gt;. 

Joseph was an intelligent, energetic man, and must have had quite an influence on education in Utah. He was an associate of Karl Maeser, and when Maeser died in 1901, Joseph became the Commissioner of Church Education. He served in that position until, as his biography in his mother&#039;s autobiography so delicately puts it, he &quot;fell into disfavor with church officials&quot; after two post-Manifesto marriages. At that point, he moved to Canada and spent the next 15 years farming and writing extensively for the &lt;em&gt;Improvement Era&lt;/em&gt; and Sunday School. He also wrote a biography of John Riggs Murdock who led five &quot;Down and Back&quot; companies.

Joseph died in 1927 at the age of 68.

His son, O.C. Tanner, or Obert Tanner, as he was known in academic circles, arranged the editing and publication of his mother&#039;s and grandmother&#039;s writings. Those two books are an important contribution to the social history of Utah and to an understanding of some of the practical aspects of the institution of polygamy.

I would love to read more about Joseph&#039;s mission. I don&#039;t know if he left an account of his three and a half years in Europe, Turkey and Palestine in the 1880s, but it must have been an amazing experience.

And I will be very interested to see what he had to say about the topics listed in the original post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Jeff, I don&#8217;t know how much more I could say about Joseph M. He led a fascinating life, but I wouldn&#8217;t have access to enough resources to write a post about him. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read his mother&#8217;s writings, and his wife&#8217;s, and his son&#8217;s, but I couldn&#8217;t remember if I had read anything of Joseph&#8217;s until I looked in the John Tanner book (<em>John Tanner and His Family</em>, by George S. Tanner, 1974) and saw that Joseph wrote the rather distinctive biography of his father Myron which is included in the Appendix.</p>
<p>There is a short biography of Joseph in the back of his mother&#8217;s book <em>A Fragment: The Autobiography of Mary Jane Mount Tanner</em>. It is available through the University of Utah Marriott Library. See <a href="http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/tanner&amp;CISOPTR=1726" rel="nofollow">pages 210-214</a>. </p>
<p>Joseph was an intelligent, energetic man, and must have had quite an influence on education in Utah. He was an associate of Karl Maeser, and when Maeser died in 1901, Joseph became the Commissioner of Church Education. He served in that position until, as his biography in his mother&#8217;s autobiography so delicately puts it, he &#8220;fell into disfavor with church officials&#8221; after two post-Manifesto marriages. At that point, he moved to Canada and spent the next 15 years farming and writing extensively for the <em>Improvement Era</em> and Sunday School. He also wrote a biography of John Riggs Murdock who led five &#8220;Down and Back&#8221; companies.</p>
<p>Joseph died in 1927 at the age of 68.</p>
<p>His son, O.C. Tanner, or Obert Tanner, as he was known in academic circles, arranged the editing and publication of his mother&#8217;s and grandmother&#8217;s writings. Those two books are an important contribution to the social history of Utah and to an understanding of some of the practical aspects of the institution of polygamy.</p>
<p>I would love to read more about Joseph&#8217;s mission. I don&#8217;t know if he left an account of his three and a half years in Europe, Turkey and Palestine in the 1880s, but it must have been an amazing experience.</p>
<p>And I will be very interested to see what he had to say about the topics listed in the original post.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26681</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 05:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Annie Clark Tanner is often read for an understanding of polygamy.  In fact I have recommended &lt;em&gt;A Mormon Mother &lt;/em&gt;to those interested in a practical view of polygamy.  But I have often wondered about Joseph’s side of the story.  I wish he had written his feelings concerning the personal relationships and life in his family. I think his son O. C., like Annie, did not like him very much.  Never-the-less, he is very important in the history of Mormonism’s intellectual community.  I am looking forward to Researcher account.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie Clark Tanner is often read for an understanding of polygamy.  In fact I have recommended <em>A Mormon Mother </em>to those interested in a practical view of polygamy.  But I have often wondered about Joseph’s side of the story.  I wish he had written his feelings concerning the personal relationships and life in his family. I think his son O. C., like Annie, did not like him very much.  Never-the-less, he is very important in the history of Mormonism’s intellectual community.  I am looking forward to Researcher account.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26661</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 00:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TWO chapters on Race Suicide?  Wow. I&#039;m kinda&#039; scared to look... but at the same time, how can you not?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWO chapters on Race Suicide?  Wow. I&#8217;m kinda&#8217; scared to look&#8230; but at the same time, how can you not?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26652</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark: I have never let grammar get in the way of my snark. Not sure why I would now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark: I have never let grammar get in the way of my snark. Not sure why I would now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26650</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, you could liven things up considerably by running the Sex lesson about once a week.

And Chris H., you may sneer all you want, but you&#039;d better &quot;sneer at&quot; those on the thread.  Start dropping prepositions and no telling where it&#039;ll lead.  Some illiterate will start saying he &quot;graduated high school.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, you could liven things up considerably by running the Sex lesson about once a week.</p>
<p>And Chris H., you may sneer all you want, but you&#8217;d better &#8220;sneer at&#8221; those on the thread.  Start dropping prepositions and no telling where it&#8217;ll lead.  Some illiterate will start saying he &#8220;graduated high school.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David Y.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26647</link>
		<dc:creator>David Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 21:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m interested to hear what an early 20th-century writer had to say about these topics:
XIX. The Home
XX. Woman’s World
XXI. Dependent Mothers

That&#039;s right, Chris H., no opinionated mocking allowed.  You&#039;ll have to work on trying to achieve the status of having an empty head, instead![grin]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested to hear what an early 20th-century writer had to say about these topics:<br />
XIX. The Home<br />
XX. Woman’s World<br />
XXI. Dependent Mothers</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right, Chris H., no opinionated mocking allowed.  You&#8217;ll have to work on trying to achieve the status of having an empty head, instead![grin]</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26642</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am trembling. I bow to your authority, oh, great Ardis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trembling. I bow to your authority, oh, great Ardis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Chris, lest I smite thee with mine own mockery. Quail in fear before my mighty typer-fingers!

I have a sneaking suspicion that Researcher knows more about Brother Tanner than the rest of us put together and has probably read more than a little bit of his writing -- I should have asked you to write something to accompany this post, R. 

Once we have a sample or two of his opinions, we&#039;ll all be in a better position to evaluate them and our reaction to them. I&#039;ll put up one tomorrow for starters (along with something lighter for those who will find this series a little too heavy).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Chris, lest I smite thee with mine own mockery. Quail in fear before my mighty typer-fingers!</p>
<p>I have a sneaking suspicion that Researcher knows more about Brother Tanner than the rest of us put together and has probably read more than a little bit of his writing &#8212; I should have asked you to write something to accompany this post, R. </p>
<p>Once we have a sample or two of his opinions, we&#8217;ll all be in a better position to evaluate them and our reaction to them. I&#8217;ll put up one tomorrow for starters (along with something lighter for those who will find this series a little too heavy).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris H.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/09/14/problems-of-the-age-preface/comment-page-1/#comment-26640</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Researcher,

I think that creating O.C. Tanner might make up for a lot. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Researcher,</p>
<p>I think that creating O.C. Tanner might make up for a lot. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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