Comments on: Guest Post: Can I Trust Leonard Arrington? An Exercise in Historical Provenance

By: kevinf

kevinf — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:20:42 +0000

Judy, my knowledge of the settlements of 1878 and later is limited so I know nothing about Johanna or little abot Allen’s Camp. My article was published in the Winter 2011 Journal of Mormon History. If you need anything else Ardis can provide you with my email address. Thanks for your nice comment.

By: Judy

Judy — Fri, 05 Oct 2012 08:20:48 +0000

I’m a little late, but I loved reading this post and the comments.

It would be fun if there was an Allen’s camp (Jo City) descendant reunion. I’m from the Westover/Despain line, my great grandmother is Johanna and my grandmother is Emma and I am in awe of both of them. I don’t know how any of the settelers did it and if you are a descendant of Johanna – how DID she do it?
If you have read Johanna’s biography, I am in possession of the “green box” and am happy to have my cousins over to see it.

I have not been able to find a list of the original families or a map. Does anyone have access to either?

Kevin, Is your paper published? I would love to read it.

By: kevinf

kevinf — Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:29:15 +0000

This has been a long time coming, but the article, as noted elsewhere along with Stapley and Wright’s terrific article on female ritual healing, is in the mail as we speak.

Interesting to note is that I was contacted yesterday by a descendant of Horton D. Haight who had read my article. He related to me that the Brigham Young quote was well known in the Haight family, and has been a source of some anguish. I hope to follow up with him about when and where the family heard Pres. Young. It would bring some closure for me on this, as I have not been able to find anything more about it at this point, but I’ve had limited time to do research lately.

By: Ray

Ray — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 23:29:04 +0000

But as far as I know, my family did not intermarry with the Westovers. What a shocking oversight!

Amen, cousin!

By: Researcher

Researcher — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 12:59:31 +0000

I would be very happy to consider you among my many cousins, Ray. Besides the fact that if you are from Joseph City, you are as good as related in any case, your remarkable common sense and unflappable nature surely marks you as a descendant of the Arizona pioneers. But as far as I know, my family did not intermarry with the Westovers. What a shocking oversight! My family and yours did travel to Arizona together. Here is a series of posts on their trip to Arizona. They used the Pearce's Ferry crossing and traveled over the old Beale Road. The Westovers are mentioned first in the second post.

By: Ray

Ray — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 04:07:20 +0000

Forgot to add:

Howdy, cousin!!

By: Ray

Ray — Fri, 04 Jun 2010 04:06:53 +0000

I’m reading a fascinating post and very interesting comments when, to my surprise, I read about Joseph City, AZ – where my mother was born. Then Researcher links a map showing the streets named after the original settlers (whose surnames she lists) – and says one of those families is hers. I wonder how we are related, since my mother’s family is the Westovers listed as among the settlers – and surely those families intermarried.

It’s a small world, and I want to thank kevin for making me aware that I am related to Researcher.

By: W. Smith

W. Smith — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:07:05 +0000

Great stuff Kevin! I enjoyed the detective work.

By: MoSop

MoSop — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 17:56:48 +0000

Congrats on making the DesNews Mormon Times BBB today!

By: kevinf

kevinf — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 05:36:38 +0000

Bill, Lot Smith was not involved in the 1873 colonization effort, as best as I can tell, so he does not figure in my article. Interesting story, though, about getting along with his horses better than his wives.