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	<title>Comments on: The Mormons&#8217; First Memorial Day</title>
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		<title>By: Steve Florman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Florman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 15:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My guess is that Gen. Patrick Connor, who spent most of the Civil War at Fort Douglas denouncing Mormon &quot;disloyalty&quot; and hoping for an excuse to put an end to Church control of territorial politics, was instrumental in trying to exclude the Church leaders and members from participation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess is that Gen. Patrick Connor, who spent most of the Civil War at Fort Douglas denouncing Mormon &#8220;disloyalty&#8221; and hoping for an excuse to put an end to Church control of territorial politics, was instrumental in trying to exclude the Church leaders and members from participation.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got to this post a little late, but when our family still lived in Utah, we would go to a couple of cemeteries on Memorial Day, and my wife and her dad would talk about some of those ancestors.  Now that we have moved to the Seattle area, we currently have no graves here to visit.  On my last visit to Utah in April, though, we made an effort to visit the Plain City cemetery where several of my ancestors are buried.

On a side note, the spring and summer of 1873 were tense times in northern Utah.  At one point, Brigham Young was under house arrest, and I believe it was also the time the Ann Eliza Young divorce was coming to a head.  George Q. Cannon showed remarkable restraint in his comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got to this post a little late, but when our family still lived in Utah, we would go to a couple of cemeteries on Memorial Day, and my wife and her dad would talk about some of those ancestors.  Now that we have moved to the Seattle area, we currently have no graves here to visit.  On my last visit to Utah in April, though, we made an effort to visit the Plain City cemetery where several of my ancestors are buried.</p>
<p>On a side note, the spring and summer of 1873 were tense times in northern Utah.  At one point, Brigham Young was under house arrest, and I believe it was also the time the Ann Eliza Young divorce was coming to a head.  George Q. Cannon showed remarkable restraint in his comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (U.K)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (U.K)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We also wear poppies in November leading up to Armistice Day (11 Nov) and Remembrance Sunday (second Sunday in November), Mark- they are sold everywhere (even in schools) in aid of the Royal British Legion, which helps the soldiers families of injured and killed servicemen from all conflicts. I&#039;m not, however, allowed to buy one, on pain of being haunted by my maternal grandmother, but the story behind that annual trauma will have to wait for a comment in November :-)

Thank you for the explanation, Ardis. How proud you must be of your parents for their service.

And, btw, &#039;international cohort&#039; sounds a bit Spanish Civil War to me, for some reason!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also wear poppies in November leading up to Armistice Day (11 Nov) and Remembrance Sunday (second Sunday in November), Mark- they are sold everywhere (even in schools) in aid of the Royal British Legion, which helps the soldiers families of injured and killed servicemen from all conflicts. I&#8217;m not, however, allowed to buy one, on pain of being haunted by my maternal grandmother, but the story behind that annual trauma will have to wait for a comment in November <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thank you for the explanation, Ardis. How proud you must be of your parents for their service.</p>
<p>And, btw, &#8216;international cohort&#8217; sounds a bit Spanish Civil War to me, for some reason!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With five months&#039; head start, I say we should get guest posts from our international cohort on their celebrations of Armistice Day (or Remembrance Day, or whatever the current term is)--either the Canadians or the Brits would be fine, but both would be better.  My Canadian daughter tells me that poppies in lapels are ubiquitous in early November--which makes me think that they make more of that memory than we Americans do.  And, of course, we should all be pleased to hear of some Mormon connection too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With five months&#8217; head start, I say we should get guest posts from our international cohort on their celebrations of Armistice Day (or Remembrance Day, or whatever the current term is)&#8211;either the Canadians or the Brits would be fine, but both would be better.  My Canadian daughter tells me that poppies in lapels are ubiquitous in early November&#8211;which makes me think that they make more of that memory than we Americans do.  And, of course, we should all be pleased to hear of some Mormon connection too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Anne. 

It goes a little broader than that, in that it&#039;s the traditional day to visit family graves, clean up cemeteries, take flowers, etc., for all loved ones, regardless of military connection, but it is still basically a day to remember the dead who served in the military (contrasted with Veterans Day on November 11, which is chiefly to honor the living).

Although few people follow it anymore, one Memorial Day tradition calls for American flags to be flown at half-staff in the morning as a sign of mourning, then raised at noon to full staff as, I suppose, a sign of victory. The graves of vets are also usually decorated with a flag -- veterans&#039; groups and cemetery caretakers usually keep lists of vets in a given cemetery, and either the cemetery (as part of its perpetual care) or a community group furnishes the flags. This was actually a rather high concern on my father&#039;s list -- he wanted to be sure there was a flag on his grave every Memorial Day. There is. (There is also a little display on my living room table, with the flag that covered his casket, a pair of the white officers&#039; gloves worn by his funeral honor guard, and a shell fired in the salute at my mother&#039;s funeral (both my parents served during WWII).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Anne. </p>
<p>It goes a little broader than that, in that it&#8217;s the traditional day to visit family graves, clean up cemeteries, take flowers, etc., for all loved ones, regardless of military connection, but it is still basically a day to remember the dead who served in the military (contrasted with Veterans Day on November 11, which is chiefly to honor the living).</p>
<p>Although few people follow it anymore, one Memorial Day tradition calls for American flags to be flown at half-staff in the morning as a sign of mourning, then raised at noon to full staff as, I suppose, a sign of victory. The graves of vets are also usually decorated with a flag &#8212; veterans&#8217; groups and cemetery caretakers usually keep lists of vets in a given cemetery, and either the cemetery (as part of its perpetual care) or a community group furnishes the flags. This was actually a rather high concern on my father&#8217;s list &#8212; he wanted to be sure there was a flag on his grave every Memorial Day. There is. (There is also a little display on my living room table, with the flag that covered his casket, a pair of the white officers&#8217; gloves worn by his funeral honor guard, and a shell fired in the salute at my mother&#8217;s funeral (both my parents served during WWII).</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (U.K)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (U.K)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so, please excuse this foreigner&#039;s ignorance, but did your Memorial Day start as a way of remembering the dead of the Civil War, and has since been extended to the fallen of all subsequent wars?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, please excuse this foreigner&#8217;s ignorance, but did your Memorial Day start as a way of remembering the dead of the Civil War, and has since been extended to the fallen of all subsequent wars?</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 01:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Ardis!  Great post and interesting to see how the Saints in Utah were affected.

In my  hometown and &quot;Mormon colony&quot; in Star Valley, Wyoming, we went to 3 different cemeteries (different wards had their own graveyards back in the day) to clean and decorate our great-grandparents graves and other relations&#039; headstones.  We lingered longest in the biggest one in Afton WY which we went to last since that&#039;s where everyone would meet mid-afternoon and then go to the nearby picnic ground for lunch.  

Did you all know that some Southern states have &quot;Confederate Memorial Day&quot;?  It&#039;s on different days in the different states because they wanted their &quot;own&quot; holiday and not the &quot;Union&#039;s&quot; day apparently.

It&#039;s a state holiday on April 26th in Georgia (and Florida and Texas) although only my husband&#039;s family and state government observes it anymore.  But it used to be a big deal in the 20&#039;s and 30&#039;s according to my aged mother-in-law (back when the Confederate soldiers they honored were their grandparents and not great-greats they didn&#039;t know personally.) 

Allison in Atlanta]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Ardis!  Great post and interesting to see how the Saints in Utah were affected.</p>
<p>In my  hometown and &#8220;Mormon colony&#8221; in Star Valley, Wyoming, we went to 3 different cemeteries (different wards had their own graveyards back in the day) to clean and decorate our great-grandparents graves and other relations&#8217; headstones.  We lingered longest in the biggest one in Afton WY which we went to last since that&#8217;s where everyone would meet mid-afternoon and then go to the nearby picnic ground for lunch.  </p>
<p>Did you all know that some Southern states have &#8220;Confederate Memorial Day&#8221;?  It&#8217;s on different days in the different states because they wanted their &#8220;own&#8221; holiday and not the &#8220;Union&#8217;s&#8221; day apparently.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a state holiday on April 26th in Georgia (and Florida and Texas) although only my husband&#8217;s family and state government observes it anymore.  But it used to be a big deal in the 20&#8242;s and 30&#8242;s according to my aged mother-in-law (back when the Confederate soldiers they honored were their grandparents and not great-greats they didn&#8217;t know personally.) </p>
<p>Allison in Atlanta</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 22:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wondered about how &quot;Salt Lake&quot; that tradition was, Researcher, so thanks for your comments. 

It was a family tradition I really loved because the SLC cemetery was so beautiful and it was interesting to learn about family members I never knew, as well as &quot;visit&quot; with those I did. There are a cluster of family graves in the SLC cemetery near some red steps that as a child, I thought very unusual and poetic. 

I loved seeing the old, weathered sandstone grave markers and there were even wooden ones still extent. The pioneer past never seemed so close as on Memorial day.

It was also in the SLC cemetery that I first learned about the Japanese camps, since I asked my parents about the &quot;strange&quot; group of graves with not just flowers, but food left on them.

Of course, I also picked up on other lore by recognizing names from church or Utah history.

As I was &quot;visiting&quot; today, I found I remembered my way around the cemetery pretty well. Of course, I was there in 2007 when I was home doing research while on sabbatical. I spent a lot of my time in the cemetery though, thinking and walking. My maternal grandmother, a woman who was everything to me, was dying, and when I wasn&#039;t with her, or working in archives, I was sitting in the cemetery playing Lyle Lovett&#039;s cover of &quot;Flying Shoes&quot; on the car stereo and wishing...well, wishing all kinds of things.

I&#039;m sure your visit with your grandparents this summer, Researcher, will make some beautiful memories.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wondered about how &#8220;Salt Lake&#8221; that tradition was, Researcher, so thanks for your comments. </p>
<p>It was a family tradition I really loved because the SLC cemetery was so beautiful and it was interesting to learn about family members I never knew, as well as &#8220;visit&#8221; with those I did. There are a cluster of family graves in the SLC cemetery near some red steps that as a child, I thought very unusual and poetic. </p>
<p>I loved seeing the old, weathered sandstone grave markers and there were even wooden ones still extent. The pioneer past never seemed so close as on Memorial day.</p>
<p>It was also in the SLC cemetery that I first learned about the Japanese camps, since I asked my parents about the &#8220;strange&#8221; group of graves with not just flowers, but food left on them.</p>
<p>Of course, I also picked up on other lore by recognizing names from church or Utah history.</p>
<p>As I was &#8220;visiting&#8221; today, I found I remembered my way around the cemetery pretty well. Of course, I was there in 2007 when I was home doing research while on sabbatical. I spent a lot of my time in the cemetery though, thinking and walking. My maternal grandmother, a woman who was everything to me, was dying, and when I wasn&#8217;t with her, or working in archives, I was sitting in the cemetery playing Lyle Lovett&#8217;s cover of &#8220;Flying Shoes&#8221; on the car stereo and wishing&#8230;well, wishing all kinds of things.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure your visit with your grandparents this summer, Researcher, will make some beautiful memories.</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 20:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mina - visiting the Salt Lake City Cemetery on Memorial Day was a huge tradition for my mother&#039;s parents, but not something I ever did. It seems like a very Salt Lake City thing to do; I don&#039;t recall seeing any evidence of people visiting the cemeteries around here when we were out earlier in the day. Thinking about the traditional Memorial Day cemetery visit makes me miss my grandparents since I&#039;ll be visiting their graves for the first time when I&#039;m in Salt Lake this summer.

And back to the topic of the GAR; a cousin and fellow Keepa reader put up a blog post a few days back that mentioned a &lt;a href=&quot;http://ancestralties.blogspot.com/2010/05/john-morgan-attends-g-r-grand-army-of.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GAR parade in Washington DC&lt;/a&gt;. The parade was attended by a common ancestor, John Hamilton Morgan, Civil War soldier, Utah educator, former president of the Southern States Mission, one of the Presidents of the Seventy, and state legislator. He was involved in Utah&#039;s attempts at statehood but died in 1893. I hope Bessie doesn&#039;t mind if I link to her post here. It has some pictures of a recent GAR memorial in the Salt Lake City Cemetery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mina &#8211; visiting the Salt Lake City Cemetery on Memorial Day was a huge tradition for my mother&#8217;s parents, but not something I ever did. It seems like a very Salt Lake City thing to do; I don&#8217;t recall seeing any evidence of people visiting the cemeteries around here when we were out earlier in the day. Thinking about the traditional Memorial Day cemetery visit makes me miss my grandparents since I&#8217;ll be visiting their graves for the first time when I&#8217;m in Salt Lake this summer.</p>
<p>And back to the topic of the GAR; a cousin and fellow Keepa reader put up a blog post a few days back that mentioned a <a href="http://ancestralties.blogspot.com/2010/05/john-morgan-attends-g-r-grand-army-of.html" rel="nofollow">GAR parade in Washington DC</a>. The parade was attended by a common ancestor, John Hamilton Morgan, Civil War soldier, Utah educator, former president of the Southern States Mission, one of the Presidents of the Seventy, and state legislator. He was involved in Utah&#8217;s attempts at statehood but died in 1893. I hope Bessie doesn&#8217;t mind if I link to her post here. It has some pictures of a recent GAR memorial in the Salt Lake City Cemetery.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 20:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been wandering through the SLC Cemetery courtesy of Google Maps street view, today. I miss being in Utah and going out to decorate family graves. I learned so much Utah history on those outings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been wandering through the SLC Cemetery courtesy of Google Maps street view, today. I miss being in Utah and going out to decorate family graves. I learned so much Utah history on those outings.</p>
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