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	<title>Comments on: Old Testament Illustrated: Genesis 1-2</title>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20733</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 16:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Burne-Jones angels are fabulous. I must try and find them in colour! I too love the Pre-Raphaelites, which is probably why I quite like J.Kirk Richards&#039; angels.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Burne-Jones angels are fabulous. I must try and find them in colour! I too love the Pre-Raphaelites, which is probably why I quite like J.Kirk Richards&#8217; angels.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (U.K)</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20690</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne (U.K)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 12:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I adore the work of  Pre Raphaelites, maybe because I have red hair :-) Looking forward to seeing more of their work, and wonder what it says about how times have changed that their work was used back then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I adore the work of  Pre Raphaelites, maybe because I have red hair <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Looking forward to seeing more of their work, and wonder what it says about how times have changed that their work was used back then.</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20652</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 19:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A quickie lesson on the scandal of the Pre-Raphaelites:

&quot;The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood&quot; were a group of mid-Victorican British painters, poets, artisans and writers. Dante Gabriel Rossetti, William Holman Hunt, John Everett Millais were some of the first members, but a number of artists eventually became associated with their particular aesthetic ideas including Edward Burne-Jones, William Morris, Algernon Charles Swinburne, Christina Rossetti, Ford Madox Brown, and many others. 

Both in the work and in their personal lives, the Pre-Raphalites scorned and flouted convention. They rejected the aesthetic conventions of Victorian painting, looking back to medieval culture for inspiration (hence, their name: a rejection of the mannered aping of renaissance art they felt characterized Victorian convention). But, their rebellion went further: they also wished to create a new kind of society. They rejected the ugliness, conformity and mass production of post-industrial revolution Europe (William Morris and the Arts and Crafts movement fits in here) and the debased living conditions industrial capitalism had created for most of humanity (again Morris, but also the strong socialist streak in many of the pre-raphaelites). 

But what really got up the nose of the Victorian public was the pre-raphaelite&#039;s attitude towards women. They held them to be equals (although in a perhaps more limited sense than a contemporary feminist would) allowing them the sexual freedoms of men, training and ecouraging them as artists in their own right, and treating their models with fairness and dignity. The women they used as models often lived with their families, employed as nannies or grinding paints or some sort of dignified employment rather than being tossed back into the street. 

The relationships between husbands and wives were at times pretty fluid, but always out in the open with the full knowledge of all involved. Victorian society saw them as shocking and immoral libertines, they saw themselves as living lives more honest and caring than the typical male double-standard of wife at home/brothel visits at night.

And they championed a completely new standard of feminine beauty. They replaced the delicate featured, rose-bud mouthed, tiny, blonde ideal Victorian woman with images of tall, large bodied, strong browed and RED HAIRED women! Google Jane Morris and you&#039;ll get the picture. Dark women! Women with womanly shapes! Undemure women! (Even the Burne-Jones figures pictured here display the standard straight brow and largish nose and full lips of the pre-raphaelite feminine ideal)

And they had the effrontery to actually paint religious subjects! Sometimes using these &quot;manly&quot; women! Sometimes using androgynous male/female blends! Sometimes they used realistic and not idealized looking men and women! Charles Dickens denounced John Everett Millais&#039; &quot;Christ in the House of His Parents&quot; as making the Holy Family look like drunken slum dwellers.

And sometimes, I hope you&#039;re sitting down, using women as models for...Christ. William Holman Hunt&#039;s famous painting &quot;The Light of the World&quot; was painted using a female model for the face. Although its since become a beloved and conventional representation of the Christ, at the time it&#039;s subtle androgyny caused more than a little discomfort. 

Of course, by the time these Burne-Jones figures were reprinted here, all this had receded in public memory. Still, it gave me a mischievous chuckle to find the work of a member of such denounced and controversial group here. It really speaks to a kind of ecumenical aesthetic that seems to have disappeared from contemporary lds publications (at least as far as I know).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quickie lesson on the scandal of the Pre-Raphaelites:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood&#8221; were a group of mid-Victorican British painters, poets, artisans and writers. Dante Gabriel Rossetti, William Holman Hunt, John Everett Millais were some of the first members, but a number of artists eventually became associated with their particular aesthetic ideas including Edward Burne-Jones, William Morris, Algernon Charles Swinburne, Christina Rossetti, Ford Madox Brown, and many others. </p>
<p>Both in the work and in their personal lives, the Pre-Raphalites scorned and flouted convention. They rejected the aesthetic conventions of Victorian painting, looking back to medieval culture for inspiration (hence, their name: a rejection of the mannered aping of renaissance art they felt characterized Victorian convention). But, their rebellion went further: they also wished to create a new kind of society. They rejected the ugliness, conformity and mass production of post-industrial revolution Europe (William Morris and the Arts and Crafts movement fits in here) and the debased living conditions industrial capitalism had created for most of humanity (again Morris, but also the strong socialist streak in many of the pre-raphaelites). </p>
<p>But what really got up the nose of the Victorian public was the pre-raphaelite&#8217;s attitude towards women. They held them to be equals (although in a perhaps more limited sense than a contemporary feminist would) allowing them the sexual freedoms of men, training and ecouraging them as artists in their own right, and treating their models with fairness and dignity. The women they used as models often lived with their families, employed as nannies or grinding paints or some sort of dignified employment rather than being tossed back into the street. </p>
<p>The relationships between husbands and wives were at times pretty fluid, but always out in the open with the full knowledge of all involved. Victorian society saw them as shocking and immoral libertines, they saw themselves as living lives more honest and caring than the typical male double-standard of wife at home/brothel visits at night.</p>
<p>And they championed a completely new standard of feminine beauty. They replaced the delicate featured, rose-bud mouthed, tiny, blonde ideal Victorian woman with images of tall, large bodied, strong browed and RED HAIRED women! Google Jane Morris and you&#8217;ll get the picture. Dark women! Women with womanly shapes! Undemure women! (Even the Burne-Jones figures pictured here display the standard straight brow and largish nose and full lips of the pre-raphaelite feminine ideal)</p>
<p>And they had the effrontery to actually paint religious subjects! Sometimes using these &#8220;manly&#8221; women! Sometimes using androgynous male/female blends! Sometimes they used realistic and not idealized looking men and women! Charles Dickens denounced John Everett Millais&#8217; &#8220;Christ in the House of His Parents&#8221; as making the Holy Family look like drunken slum dwellers.</p>
<p>And sometimes, I hope you&#8217;re sitting down, using women as models for&#8230;Christ. William Holman Hunt&#8217;s famous painting &#8220;The Light of the World&#8221; was painted using a female model for the face. Although its since become a beloved and conventional representation of the Christ, at the time it&#8217;s subtle androgyny caused more than a little discomfort. </p>
<p>Of course, by the time these Burne-Jones figures were reprinted here, all this had receded in public memory. Still, it gave me a mischievous chuckle to find the work of a member of such denounced and controversial group here. It really speaks to a kind of ecumenical aesthetic that seems to have disappeared from contemporary lds publications (at least as far as I know).</p>
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		<title>By: m&#38;m</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20628</link>
		<dc:creator>m&#38;m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really great, Ardis. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really great, Ardis. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20623</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 03:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the Burne-Jones images too. They look like they were part of a greater whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Burne-Jones images too. They look like they were part of a greater whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20621</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 02:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How so, Mina? (I&#039;m not afraid of scandal, but I wanna know just how daring I am!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How so, Mina? (I&#8217;m not afraid of scandal, but I wanna know just how daring I am!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mina</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20617</link>
		<dc:creator>Mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 01:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m really surprised by the inclusion of Burne-Jones! Scandalous!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really surprised by the inclusion of Burne-Jones! Scandalous!</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20613</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stunning!  Yes, the Burne-Jones caught my attention the most.  Some of the figures sorta reminded me of those by Klimt (but that probably just reveals my ignorance of art history).

Anyhow, thanks for sharing.  I look forward to see the rest as they come along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stunning!  Yes, the Burne-Jones caught my attention the most.  Some of the figures sorta reminded me of those by Klimt (but that probably just reveals my ignorance of art history).</p>
<p>Anyhow, thanks for sharing.  I look forward to see the rest as they come along.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/03/18/old-testament-illustrated-genesis-1-2/comment-page-1/#comment-20612</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally see what you mean with the reference to James Christensen! The shiny orbs, the unusual proportions to bodies, the exquisite detail in the feathered wings, the figures that are at once realistic and fantastical -- that&#039;s Christensen all over.

Steve, Clark, Clair, I&#039;m glad you like this. As you can guess, there are a LOT of posts coming, and I hope you don&#039;t get burned out on them. At last check in every once in a while on segments when you recognize that a story you like is apt to have been illustrated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally see what you mean with the reference to James Christensen! The shiny orbs, the unusual proportions to bodies, the exquisite detail in the feathered wings, the figures that are at once realistic and fantastical &#8212; that&#8217;s Christensen all over.</p>
<p>Steve, Clark, Clair, I&#8217;m glad you like this. As you can guess, there are a LOT of posts coming, and I hope you don&#8217;t get burned out on them. At last check in every once in a while on segments when you recognize that a story you like is apt to have been illustrated.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edit FAIL.  I just noticed that in # 4 I left a sentence fragment floating in there.  I meant to say that &quot;His style for some reason reminds me of LDS artist James Christensen, but without the whimsy&quot;.  Others may not see the comparison the same way, so I thought I had deleted that sentence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edit FAIL.  I just noticed that in # 4 I left a sentence fragment floating in there.  I meant to say that &#8220;His style for some reason reminds me of LDS artist James Christensen, but without the whimsy&#8221;.  Others may not see the comparison the same way, so I thought I had deleted that sentence.</p>
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