Comments on: Proprieties and Usages of Good Society — Lesson V. Suggestions for Travel by Sea

By: Researcher

Researcher — Sat, 29 May 2010 16:06:40 +0000

Thank you for clarifying that, JimD. Here's the passenger list that I got that from. It looks like Cedric is written and crossed out, then written again above it and then Cymric is written next to it. Hence, my confusion, even after looking up the ship in various lists and encyclopedia entries. I'll correct that in my blog post about the trip. Thanks again!

By: JimD

JimD — Sat, 29 May 2010 15:02:19 +0000

Apologies for the lateness here: 1) Transatlantic liners usually did "cross-channel" calls--eastbound French and German ships would stop at Southampton, whereas British ships stopped at Cherbourg before proceeding on to Liverpool or Southampton. This meant that if a French and a British ship left New York on the same day, then all other things being equal--the French ship would have you in Britain about twelve hours sooner than the British ship would. 2) Just a note for Researcher: the Cedric and the Cymric were two different White Star ships. The Cymric was sunk by Schweiger; the Cedric sailed on until 1926. For those interested in the transatlantic passenger ships, I'd highly recommend John Maxtone-Graham's The Only Way to Cross.

By: Ardis E. Parshall

Ardis E. Parshall — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:49:27 +0000

… as long as they remembered to take off those concoctions when they attended shipboard entertainments and church services, as we learned in part III on Dress!

(VERY funny, Moniker!)

By: Moniker Challenged

Moniker Challenged — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:38:11 +0000

In an effort to streamline their luggage perhaps some of these young ladies could have fashioned Carmen Miranda-esque bonnets out of their citrus stash.

By: Ardis E. Parshall

Ardis E. Parshall — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:21:53 +0000

It may not be entirely irrelevant, Mark B. Who knows what self-defense proprieties will be recommended to our young ladies in next week’s installment on the etiquette of the ball room?

By: Mark B.

Mark B. — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:19:38 +0000

Glad to see that #18 got cleared up. As any fan of James Bond knows, the first thing that comes to mind when we see “Walther” is the Walther PPK (short for Polizeipistole Kriminellmodell). As effective as that weapon may be, especially when used by Mr. Bond, it’s a stretch to think that it might have sunk a ship.

[Sorry for the irrelevant threadjack, Ardis.]

By: Researcher

Researcher — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:36:58 +0000

…by Walther Schwieger, I mean. He and I were not on first-name terms.

By: Researcher

Researcher — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:36:09 +0000

They could have come on one of the other 47 ships sunk by Walther.

By: Mina

Mina — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:35:19 +0000

Thanks for checking, Researcher! I may be able to come up with the name of the ship; I’m interested now to figure out how the Lusitania figures in the story I heard so much as a child…

By: Researcher

Researcher — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:15:47 +0000

Interesting, Mina. I looked through the ship's register and didn't see anyone named Osbourne or any immigrants bound for Utah. The immigrants in the ship were mostly Russian Jews, Finns, and Irish bound for the Boston area. (Much different than looking at an ship's register from the earlier period of Mormon immigration.) I don't imagine the immigrants were paying as much for their passage as the travelers (?). When I looked up the Cymric, I saw that the commander of the U-boat that sank the Cymric and the Lusitania, Walther Schwieger, sank a grand total of 49 ships with 3 submarines on 34 missions. And he was only the sixth most successful U-boat commander. A man named Lothar von Arnauld de la Periere sank 194 ships. I'm sure I must have learned this in history in high school since I do remember learning about the Lusitania, but how amazing. What a reign of terror.