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	<title>Comments on: Startling Stories</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The dime novel and penny dreadful of Brigham Young&#039;s day made strong use of negative Mormon caricatures. Using the search words ~ dime novels Mormon ~ found several sites discussing that genre of fiction.  Here is one that may explain why Pres. Young was upset. 

http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Mormons%2C_Image_of#Fiction

and from a review at Amazon.com
 Zane Grey, Riders of the Purple Sage

The other remarkable thing about the book is its attitude toward the Mormon religion. The hero is an avowed &quot;killer of Mormons&quot;. The LDS church is depicted as essentially brutal and tyrannical. This, I suppose, reflects a prejudice of the time, but I wonder how present-day members of that church regard this novel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dime novel and penny dreadful of Brigham Young&#8217;s day made strong use of negative Mormon caricatures. Using the search words ~ dime novels Mormon ~ found several sites discussing that genre of fiction.  Here is one that may explain why Pres. Young was upset. </p>
<p><a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Mormons%2C_Image_of#Fiction" rel="nofollow">http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Mormons%2C_Image_of#Fiction</a></p>
<p>and from a review at Amazon.com<br />
 Zane Grey, Riders of the Purple Sage</p>
<p>The other remarkable thing about the book is its attitude toward the Mormon religion. The hero is an avowed &#8220;killer of Mormons&#8221;. The LDS church is depicted as essentially brutal and tyrannical. This, I suppose, reflects a prejudice of the time, but I wonder how present-day members of that church regard this novel.</p>
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		<title>By: Eliezer</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/02/22/startling-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-19931</link>
		<dc:creator>Eliezer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating! I think it&#039;s important to be occasionally confronted with a bit of unpleasantness to learn from the past and avoid living in a fragile white-washed worldview.

And we&#039;re not the only ones to include a little secular learning in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.watchtower.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;religious publication&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating! I think it&#8217;s important to be occasionally confronted with a bit of unpleasantness to learn from the past and avoid living in a fragile white-washed worldview.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;re not the only ones to include a little secular learning in a <a href="http://www.watchtower.org" rel="nofollow">religious publication</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (U.K)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (U.K)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Life was a lot more brutal then, and children saw much more of that side of life than today&#039;s children ever will. (unless in gaming, and we all know that&#039;s not real). I expect children then probably found those tales thrilling, although I must admit, a tad bizarre for a church publication!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Life was a lot more brutal then, and children saw much more of that side of life than today&#8217;s children ever will. (unless in gaming, and we all know that&#8217;s not real). I expect children then probably found those tales thrilling, although I must admit, a tad bizarre for a church publication!</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, sure. It&#039;s not like there was a steady diet of this kind of stuff. The articles are mostly church-related, and the general interest articles like these are supposed to be carry quite a broad sampling of topics.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sure. It&#8217;s not like there was a steady diet of this kind of stuff. The articles are mostly church-related, and the general interest articles like these are supposed to be carry quite a broad sampling of topics.</p>
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		<title>By: Moniker Challenged</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moniker Challenged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, I&#039;m guessing they dabbled in peaceful arts such as horticulture, bird watching, naturalism, and apothecary tricks as well, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, I&#8217;m guessing they dabbled in peaceful arts such as horticulture, bird watching, naturalism, and apothecary tricks as well, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Moniker Challenged</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moniker Challenged</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, maybe I&#039;m not understanding the morals of these tales properly.  They came off a little &quot;Thank God we&#039;re His chosen people-- not like these absolutely stupid, cut-rate savages&quot; to my sensibilities.  Not that Mormons cornered the market on racist paternalism!  Or bad literature for children.  I vote for the Arabian Nights (and Grimm).  But I guess it&#039;s against the rules to mix entertainment value with gore ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, maybe I&#8217;m not understanding the morals of these tales properly.  They came off a little &#8220;Thank God we&#8217;re His chosen people&#8211; not like these absolutely stupid, cut-rate savages&#8221; to my sensibilities.  Not that Mormons cornered the market on racist paternalism!  Or bad literature for children.  I vote for the Arabian Nights (and Grimm).  But I guess it&#8217;s against the rules to mix entertainment value with gore <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed Pres. Young&#039;s assessment of Romantic/Gothic popular fiction.  Re vampires, things ain&#039;t changed much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed Pres. Young&#8217;s assessment of Romantic/Gothic popular fiction.  Re vampires, things ain&#8217;t changed much.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pratt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Pratt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin: Awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin: Awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben,

Had I been a young boy in the 1870&#039;s, I probably would have had a much different reaction.

1.  I&#039;d love to go to France!  They have squirrels there too, don&#039;t they?  And guillotines?
2.  Maybe not China.
3.  I&#039;d love to go sailing, especially to Cuba!

You have to know that my Dad was in the habit of following fire engines and ambulances with Mom, my two brothers and I in the car.  Saw a few cool fires that way.  Also, my secret desire is to be a Stormchaser in Oklahoma.  My wife wants no part of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>Had I been a young boy in the 1870&#8242;s, I probably would have had a much different reaction.</p>
<p>1.  I&#8217;d love to go to France!  They have squirrels there too, don&#8217;t they?  And guillotines?<br />
2.  Maybe not China.<br />
3.  I&#8217;d love to go sailing, especially to Cuba!</p>
<p>You have to know that my Dad was in the habit of following fire engines and ambulances with Mom, my two brothers and I in the car.  Saw a few cool fires that way.  Also, my secret desire is to be a Stormchaser in Oklahoma.  My wife wants no part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Reminds me of the rather more violent and frightening original versions of the old European fairy tales, which didn&#039;t usually have happy endings.  Kind of &quot;Scared Straight&quot;, 19th Century versions.  

Was it President Packer who famously said &quot;not all truths are of the same value?&quot;  

On the other hand, would the New Era get better readership if it devoted more page space to zombies and, ahem, &lt;em&gt;Vampires?&lt;/em&gt;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!</p>
<p>Reminds me of the rather more violent and frightening original versions of the old European fairy tales, which didn&#8217;t usually have happy endings.  Kind of &#8220;Scared Straight&#8221;, 19th Century versions.  </p>
<p>Was it President Packer who famously said &#8220;not all truths are of the same value?&#8221;  </p>
<p>On the other hand, would the New Era get better readership if it devoted more page space to zombies and, ahem, <em>Vampires?</em>?</p>
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