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	<title>Comments on: How We Taught This Lesson in the Past: Lesson 3: The Creation</title>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clark - I could see how that could be problematic unless one believes that there is a common vision given to those who seek and receive these blessings as suggested in &lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/27/7#7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;2 Nephi 27:7&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/16#16&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ether 4:15-16&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark &#8211; I could see how that could be problematic unless one believes that there is a common vision given to those who seek and receive these blessings as suggested in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/27/7#7" rel="nofollow">2 Nephi 27:7</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/4/16#16" rel="nofollow">Ether 4:15-16</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How does evolution occur if there was no death before the fall of Adam?  Wouldn&#039;t death have to be possible for creatures/plants to evolve?  Was death confined to outside the Garden of Eden?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does evolution occur if there was no death before the fall of Adam?  Wouldn&#8217;t death have to be possible for creatures/plants to evolve?  Was death confined to outside the Garden of Eden?</p>
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		<title>By: ClarkGoble</title>
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		<dc:creator>ClarkGoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg, I think the problem with Ehat&#039;s exegesis is that it misses the end of Moses 1 which suggests it&#039;s chapter 1 that is an independent revelation.  He takes the mention of Moses in Moses 2:1 to imply continuity with that event but I think that&#039;s unjustified.  Still in concert with Moses 4:1 there&#039;s something to his position.  Joseph introduces both those sections (Genesis 1&amp;2 - the creation accounts; Genesis 3 - the fall) as if it is the Lord speaking to Moses.  So there is a prima facie argument for the unity of Genesis.  Interestingly Moses 4:32 has an end that parallels Moses 1:42.  So even if one accepts Ehat&#039;s thesis I don&#039;t think that entails much about Genesis as a whole.

However I think that given the method of translation this might rather suggest that there is a deeper text that was revealed to Moses of which we&#039;re getting only fragments revealed out of the KJV which is based upon a collection of texts about a subject from around 400 BCE.

Put an other way, I suspect this parallels in some ways the issue of authorship of Abraham.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, I think the problem with Ehat&#8217;s exegesis is that it misses the end of Moses 1 which suggests it&#8217;s chapter 1 that is an independent revelation.  He takes the mention of Moses in Moses 2:1 to imply continuity with that event but I think that&#8217;s unjustified.  Still in concert with Moses 4:1 there&#8217;s something to his position.  Joseph introduces both those sections (Genesis 1&amp;2 &#8211; the creation accounts; Genesis 3 &#8211; the fall) as if it is the Lord speaking to Moses.  So there is a prima facie argument for the unity of Genesis.  Interestingly Moses 4:32 has an end that parallels Moses 1:42.  So even if one accepts Ehat&#8217;s thesis I don&#8217;t think that entails much about Genesis as a whole.</p>
<p>However I think that given the method of translation this might rather suggest that there is a deeper text that was revealed to Moses of which we&#8217;re getting only fragments revealed out of the KJV which is based upon a collection of texts about a subject from around 400 BCE.</p>
<p>Put an other way, I suspect this parallels in some ways the issue of authorship of Abraham.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Greg. I&#039;m not scheduled to teach this lesson, but reading your comment (well, Andy Ehat&#039;s), I think I know how I would start this lesson if it were mine to teach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Greg. I&#8217;m not scheduled to teach this lesson, but reading your comment (well, Andy Ehat&#8217;s), I think I know how I would start this lesson if it were mine to teach.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Ardis, thanks for this post. I really enjoyed reading about this from a historical perspective. I thought this a significant insight about Moses&#039; experience from Andrew F. Ehat:

&lt;blockquote&gt;From Moses 1 we learn that Genesis is not merely a general history written by Moses or a pseudepigraphic story of the Hebrews allegedly written in Moses’ name. Instead Moses 1 sets Genesis up as a highly personal revelation to Moses — an essential endowment of knowledge and power given prior to his mission to Egypt to reclaim lost Israel (see verses 25-26). He did not compile history as Elder Richards did: he was shown the history. Moses 1 begins as each endowment begins, with heaven and earth joining. This time, Moses ascended, not by foot but by the transporting power of the Spirit. He was caught up into a mountain the name of which is not now known to us (see verse 42). (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.believeallthings.com/2700/endowment&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What is an Endowment?&lt;/a&gt;). &lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ardis, thanks for this post. I really enjoyed reading about this from a historical perspective. I thought this a significant insight about Moses&#8217; experience from Andrew F. Ehat:</p>
<blockquote><p>From Moses 1 we learn that Genesis is not merely a general history written by Moses or a pseudepigraphic story of the Hebrews allegedly written in Moses’ name. Instead Moses 1 sets Genesis up as a highly personal revelation to Moses — an essential endowment of knowledge and power given prior to his mission to Egypt to reclaim lost Israel (see verses 25-26). He did not compile history as Elder Richards did: he was shown the history. Moses 1 begins as each endowment begins, with heaven and earth joining. This time, Moses ascended, not by foot but by the transporting power of the Spirit. He was caught up into a mountain the name of which is not now known to us (see verse 42). (<a href="http://www.believeallthings.com/2700/endowment" rel="nofollow">What is an Endowment?</a>). </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting how BRM and JFS get a lot of grief for &quot;taking over&quot; far too many manuals and discussion.  I think we forget just how much of Robert&#039;s views and writings did the same...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting how BRM and JFS get a lot of grief for &#8220;taking over&#8221; far too many manuals and discussion.  I think we forget just how much of Robert&#8217;s views and writings did the same&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S.Faux</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.Faux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wish I had reference to this 1928 lesson when I wrote up my essay: &lt;a href=&quot;http://mormoninsights.blogspot.com/2009/03/biblical-genesis-corresponds-with.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Biblical Genesis Corresponds with Evolution&lt;/a&gt;.

We Latter-day Saints need never fear truths from other fields, especially science.  Continuing revelation means (at least to me) that we will grow in knowledge, which inevitably means that sometimes old ideas have to be thrown overboard or revised.

Latter-days Saints do NOT argue that the Bible is all we need to know.  We do NOT even argue that our LDS scriptures (BofM, D&amp;C, &amp; PofGP) are all we need to know.

There is a simple beauty to the fossilized &lt;i&gt;Ichthyosaurus&lt;/i&gt; that is 200 million years old.  It was part of God&#039;s handiwork, and I don&#039;t understand why anyone would insist the facts are otherwise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had reference to this 1928 lesson when I wrote up my essay: <a href="http://mormoninsights.blogspot.com/2009/03/biblical-genesis-corresponds-with.html" rel="nofollow">Biblical Genesis Corresponds with Evolution</a>.</p>
<p>We Latter-day Saints need never fear truths from other fields, especially science.  Continuing revelation means (at least to me) that we will grow in knowledge, which inevitably means that sometimes old ideas have to be thrown overboard or revised.</p>
<p>Latter-days Saints do NOT argue that the Bible is all we need to know.  We do NOT even argue that our LDS scriptures (BofM, D&amp;C, &amp; PofGP) are all we need to know.</p>
<p>There is a simple beauty to the fossilized <i>Ichthyosaurus</i> that is 200 million years old.  It was part of God&#8217;s handiwork, and I don&#8217;t understand why anyone would insist the facts are otherwise.</p>
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