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	<title>Comments on: An LDS Woman at the Dawn of War: 1914</title>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2010/01/06/an-lds-woman-at-the-dawn-of-war-1914/comment-page-1/#comment-18730</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 18:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Return of the King--Great pun, Eric.

I agree that the US Civil War marked the true dawn of modern warfare.  Someone above mentioned that trench warfare came with World War I, and indeed the First World War is characterized by this form of fighting.  However, and not to get too far off track, we have trench warfare occurring in the later part of the US Civil War--a precursor to events fifty years later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Return of the King&#8211;Great pun, Eric.</p>
<p>I agree that the US Civil War marked the true dawn of modern warfare.  Someone above mentioned that trench warfare came with World War I, and indeed the First World War is characterized by this form of fighting.  However, and not to get too far off track, we have trench warfare occurring in the later part of the US Civil War&#8211;a precursor to events fifty years later.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could never work my way through LOTR (I&#039;ve been trying since buying a brand new 4-vol. set of paperbacks for $5, so you know it&#039;s been a while). Maybe I&#039;ll have to try again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could never work my way through LOTR (I&#8217;ve been trying since buying a brand new 4-vol. set of paperbacks for $5, so you know it&#8217;s been a while). Maybe I&#8217;ll have to try again.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Boysen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Boysen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever Tolkien had to say on the matter, his books are a serious critique of the 20th century and the gathering of the forces of evil, warfare, environmental degradation and the power of weakest to accomplish the great. If these things came exclusively from his unconscious mind they should have knocked him out more often!

I think the true dawn of modern warfare is the Civil War which introduced the ideas for many of the military technologies that took off fifty years later. Our ability to destroy each other in wholesale fashion grew right into the 1960’s and is about as “good” as it going to get – at least until interstellar wars drive a need for some of the planet killing technologies posited in space opera going back at least to the 1930s. Today’s developments are more in the direction of retail slaughter—precision weapons. 

I suppose it doesn’t matter too much where technology goes from here. The terror of it all is all about us and keeps shaping our society. I, for one, await the &lt;em&gt;Return of the King&lt;/em&gt; as the only ultimate hope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever Tolkien had to say on the matter, his books are a serious critique of the 20th century and the gathering of the forces of evil, warfare, environmental degradation and the power of weakest to accomplish the great. If these things came exclusively from his unconscious mind they should have knocked him out more often!</p>
<p>I think the true dawn of modern warfare is the Civil War which introduced the ideas for many of the military technologies that took off fifty years later. Our ability to destroy each other in wholesale fashion grew right into the 1960’s and is about as “good” as it going to get – at least until interstellar wars drive a need for some of the planet killing technologies posited in space opera going back at least to the 1930s. Today’s developments are more in the direction of retail slaughter—precision weapons. </p>
<p>I suppose it doesn’t matter too much where technology goes from here. The terror of it all is all about us and keeps shaping our society. I, for one, await the <em>Return of the King</em> as the only ultimate hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Bruce for your comments about JRR Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings.  Anne is correct about the French attitude regarding Alsace and Lorraine.  The causes of World War I are many and, as I discuss in my classes, complex.  There were international tensions building for years--i.e. rival alliances, nationalism, and militarism.  The impression I get is that although few &quot;welcomed&quot; war, in many quarters it was greeted enthusiastically.  This was in part due to the fact that the tensions that had built up were coming to a head.  If I recall, Britain only had six division in its army when the war began (which wasn&#039;t very much).  And yes, the size of the British army grew rapidly.

Another aspect about World War I was this was the first war in which there were Latter-day Saints in opposing countries and possibly fighting each other.  (There has been a recent suggestion that there was a handful of LDS who served in both the Union and Confederate armies during the American Civil War).  This did not go unnoticed by the First Presidency whose comments on the war were very carefully worded before and after America&#039;s entry into the conflict.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bruce for your comments about JRR Tolkien and The Lord of the Rings.  Anne is correct about the French attitude regarding Alsace and Lorraine.  The causes of World War I are many and, as I discuss in my classes, complex.  There were international tensions building for years&#8211;i.e. rival alliances, nationalism, and militarism.  The impression I get is that although few &#8220;welcomed&#8221; war, in many quarters it was greeted enthusiastically.  This was in part due to the fact that the tensions that had built up were coming to a head.  If I recall, Britain only had six division in its army when the war began (which wasn&#8217;t very much).  And yes, the size of the British army grew rapidly.</p>
<p>Another aspect about World War I was this was the first war in which there were Latter-day Saints in opposing countries and possibly fighting each other.  (There has been a recent suggestion that there was a handful of LDS who served in both the Union and Confederate armies during the American Civil War).  This did not go unnoticed by the First Presidency whose comments on the war were very carefully worded before and after America&#8217;s entry into the conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: bfwebster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfwebster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 00:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J. R. R. Tolkien, while disavowing most parallels between history and his novels, did acknowledge that &quot;the Dead Marshes&quot; in &lt;strong&gt;Lord of the Rings&lt;/strong&gt; drew upon his own WW I experience. In this case, &lt;a href=&quot;http://andstillipersist.com/2007/07/hell-on-earth-indeed/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reality was even worse than fiction&lt;/a&gt; ..bruce..
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. R. R. Tolkien, while disavowing most parallels between history and his novels, did acknowledge that &#8220;the Dead Marshes&#8221; in <strong>Lord of the Rings</strong> drew upon his own WW I experience. In this case, <a href="http://andstillipersist.com/2007/07/hell-on-earth-indeed/" rel="nofollow">reality was even worse than fiction</a> ..bruce..<br />
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 01:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s true, I had forgotten about Alsace Lorraine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s true, I had forgotten about Alsace Lorraine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (U.K)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (U.K)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Velikiye- those &#039;keep calm and carry On&#039; posters were printed to be posted around the country if the Nazi invasion went ahead. I think only 3 originals exist now, but copies are now sold as mugs, t shirts, posters, cushion covers- we seem to have adopted it as an unofficial slogan for current woes; I have it as my pc desktop background at work!

http://www.keepcalmandcarryon.com/

I agree wholeheartedly with your kind words, and am in awe of my parents and grandparents who all were called upon to do their bit. My grandmother&#039;s generation sent their husbands to fight in 1914-18; in the Second World War they sent their husbands and children were called up.My grandmothers are my heroes as they showed how to cope with fear, with dignity and without complaint.

Dan: sorry, I am not sure if you mean the British people or the Government? it&#039;s possibly significant to remember the effects of the Franco Prussian War; the French were itching for a chance to take back Alsace Lorraine, which was one of their stated aims upon entering the war.However, not being French, I&#039;m not really qualified to comment on a comparison of both countries. in Britain, whilst the &#039;plebs&#039; saw war as a chance to escape grim conditions,I&#039;d suggest the Government felt it had little choice but to enter the war, given Britain was a signatory to the 1839 Treaty of London which guaranteed Belgian neutrality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Velikiye- those &#8216;keep calm and carry On&#8217; posters were printed to be posted around the country if the Nazi invasion went ahead. I think only 3 originals exist now, but copies are now sold as mugs, t shirts, posters, cushion covers- we seem to have adopted it as an unofficial slogan for current woes; I have it as my pc desktop background at work!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.keepcalmandcarryon.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.keepcalmandcarryon.com/</a></p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with your kind words, and am in awe of my parents and grandparents who all were called upon to do their bit. My grandmother&#8217;s generation sent their husbands to fight in 1914-18; in the Second World War they sent their husbands and children were called up.My grandmothers are my heroes as they showed how to cope with fear, with dignity and without complaint.</p>
<p>Dan: sorry, I am not sure if you mean the British people or the Government? it&#8217;s possibly significant to remember the effects of the Franco Prussian War; the French were itching for a chance to take back Alsace Lorraine, which was one of their stated aims upon entering the war.However, not being French, I&#8217;m not really qualified to comment on a comparison of both countries. in Britain, whilst the &#8216;plebs&#8217; saw war as a chance to escape grim conditions,I&#8217;d suggest the Government felt it had little choice but to enter the war, given Britain was a signatory to the 1839 Treaty of London which guaranteed Belgian neutrality.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anne,

&lt;blockquote&gt; Maybe the British were ‘excitable’ in a more dignified manner than the French.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My impression from the First World War is that the Brits were more wanting of this war than the French. Was that the case?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne,</p>
<blockquote><p> Maybe the British were ‘excitable’ in a more dignified manner than the French.</p></blockquote>
<p>My impression from the First World War is that the Brits were more wanting of this war than the French. Was that the case?</p>
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		<title>By: Velikiye Kniaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velikiye Kniaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[During World War II when a Nazi invasion of Great Britain seemed imminent, someone came up with a simple phrase to give the citizenry encouragement through their trials, &quot;Stay calm---Carry on&quot;. This appeared on posters throughout the United Kingdom and in many ways typifies the British response to a crisis. I have the deepest respect for the British people for all that they endured during those dark days of the Blitz and the Battle of Britain. They paid an extra-ordinarily high price in both blood and treasure to keep their beloved &#039;sceptered isle&#039; free. I am grateful for their shining example and hope that if our nation ever has to face an equal terror, we will acquit ourselves as nobly as they did.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During World War II when a Nazi invasion of Great Britain seemed imminent, someone came up with a simple phrase to give the citizenry encouragement through their trials, &#8220;Stay calm&#8212;Carry on&#8221;. This appeared on posters throughout the United Kingdom and in many ways typifies the British response to a crisis. I have the deepest respect for the British people for all that they endured during those dark days of the Blitz and the Battle of Britain. They paid an extra-ordinarily high price in both blood and treasure to keep their beloved &#8216;sceptered isle&#8217; free. I am grateful for their shining example and hope that if our nation ever has to face an equal terror, we will acquit ourselves as nobly as they did.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (U.K)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (U.K)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Sister Connelly was prescient with her prediction of “unnumbered thousands of wives have been made widows.”&lt;/em&gt;

My grandmother was one; her first husband disappeared in the mud at Passchendaele in 1917, his body was never recovered. Her second husband (my grandfather) died in 1926, having been conscripted as a 35 year old single man and worn out by his labours as a hospital stretcher bearer in France.The First World War wrecked her life not once, but twice; yet she never complained about it, just got on with things until she died aged 90.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Sister Connelly was prescient with her prediction of “unnumbered thousands of wives have been made widows.”</em></p>
<p>My grandmother was one; her first husband disappeared in the mud at Passchendaele in 1917, his body was never recovered. Her second husband (my grandfather) died in 1926, having been conscripted as a 35 year old single man and worn out by his labours as a hospital stretcher bearer in France.The First World War wrecked her life not once, but twice; yet she never complained about it, just got on with things until she died aged 90.</p>
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