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	<title>Comments on: How We Taught This Lesson in the Past: Lesson 2: &#8220;Thou Wast Chosen Before Thou Wast Born&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose verbiage* that sounds archaic can confuse us with its meaning. Similarly, common, current phrases would confuse our great grandparents and will likely confuse our great grandchildren. Kind of like reading Isaiah......  One needs to understand the terminology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose verbiage* that sounds archaic can confuse us with its meaning. Similarly, common, current phrases would confuse our great grandparents and will likely confuse our great grandchildren. Kind of like reading Isaiah&#8230;&#8230;  One needs to understand the terminology.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glenn, I think Hunter&#039;s comment is more about &quot;sounding&quot; odd -- that the &lt;em&gt;wording&lt;/em&gt; is foreign, or not the standard phrases we use today -- not that the doctrine is incorrect.

That&#039;s actually what I like best about digging through the old lessons. With few exceptions the doctrines are the same -- but in earlier years we emphasized different parts of the doctrines, or used different scriptural stories to illustrate a moral, or, as in this case, used a different idiom to express the same thought. &quot;Good deeds&quot; and &quot;clean living&quot; just ring with the tone of the early 20th century, in contrast to &quot;good works&quot; and &quot;obeying the commandments [WoW, LoC]&quot; which would be more usual to say today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn, I think Hunter&#8217;s comment is more about &#8220;sounding&#8221; odd &#8212; that the <em>wording</em> is foreign, or not the standard phrases we use today &#8212; not that the doctrine is incorrect.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s actually what I like best about digging through the old lessons. With few exceptions the doctrines are the same &#8212; but in earlier years we emphasized different parts of the doctrines, or used different scriptural stories to illustrate a moral, or, as in this case, used a different idiom to express the same thought. &#8220;Good deeds&#8221; and &#8220;clean living&#8221; just ring with the tone of the early 20th century, in contrast to &#8220;good works&#8221; and &#8220;obeying the commandments [WoW, LoC]&#8221; which would be more usual to say today.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 16:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hunter, your comment about the doctrine of Eternal Progression seems at odds with Father&#039;s plan. Considering that Eternal Progression only occurs within the Celestial Kingdom which is earned by grace mixed with good deeds and clean living (keeping the commandments), in simple terms, the statement is correct. 

Ardis, thanks for posting these comments. They help me with my youth Gospel Doctrine class.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hunter, your comment about the doctrine of Eternal Progression seems at odds with Father&#8217;s plan. Considering that Eternal Progression only occurs within the Celestial Kingdom which is earned by grace mixed with good deeds and clean living (keeping the commandments), in simple terms, the statement is correct. </p>
<p>Ardis, thanks for posting these comments. They help me with my youth Gospel Doctrine class.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point about that question, Alison. I&#039;m not sure I&#039;m brave enough to hear the 1940s answers, though.

Even if the idea of eternal progression being in large part the outcome of obedience to commandment, I agree that the formulation is peculiar to the culture!

One odd thing that I intend to pursue is the identity of &quot;Aunt Mary&quot; -- I actually think she was a real person, and I think I know who she was, but I need to doublecheck her date of death and whether a couple of the incidents attributed to her are part of her known biography. 

Don&#039;t know that there is any possibility of identifying &quot;Cappy,&quot; though, or his conveying all that data through his sleepy gaze. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point about that question, Alison. I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;m brave enough to hear the 1940s answers, though.</p>
<p>Even if the idea of eternal progression being in large part the outcome of obedience to commandment, I agree that the formulation is peculiar to the culture!</p>
<p>One odd thing that I intend to pursue is the identity of &#8220;Aunt Mary&#8221; &#8212; I actually think she was a real person, and I think I know who she was, but I need to doublecheck her date of death and whether a couple of the incidents attributed to her are part of her known biography. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know that there is any possibility of identifying &#8220;Cappy,&#8221; though, or his conveying all that data through his sleepy gaze. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, the author gets an &quot;A&quot; for effort for trying to come up with a new way to think about some of these concepts, I guess.  But the effect is almost off-putting -- all those strange details about Cappy, and Aunt Mary.  Anyhow, at least it grabbed my attention!

As for the doctrine, I wasn&#039;t really excited about this statement: &quot;Eternal Progression is given to the ones who excel in good deeds and clean living.&quot;  I think this statement must be more a reflection of the culture of the time than based on scripture?  It sounds so foreign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, the author gets an &#8220;A&#8221; for effort for trying to come up with a new way to think about some of these concepts, I guess.  But the effect is almost off-putting &#8212; all those strange details about Cappy, and Aunt Mary.  Anyhow, at least it grabbed my attention!</p>
<p>As for the doctrine, I wasn&#8217;t really excited about this statement: &#8220;Eternal Progression is given to the ones who excel in good deeds and clean living.&#8221;  I think this statement must be more a reflection of the culture of the time than based on scripture?  It sounds so foreign.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 21:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed it&#039;s presented in a very odd manner; almost like a Primary lesson with the fictional piece at the start. Question no. 7 would probably have raised some interesting answers in 1945, although fair&#039;s fair, it wouldn&#039;t even get asked today!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed it&#8217;s presented in a very odd manner; almost like a Primary lesson with the fictional piece at the start. Question no. 7 would probably have raised some interesting answers in 1945, although fair&#8217;s fair, it wouldn&#8217;t even get asked today!</p>
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