<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Grave Hath No Victory</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/</link>
	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 03:09:24 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-177066</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-177066</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a fair question, Eric, and a legitimate expectation to want writers to cite their sources. I&#039;ve just never found a way to do that while protecting my livelihood, short of not writing in a casual medium like blogging at all.

Check your email.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a fair question, Eric, and a legitimate expectation to want writers to cite their sources. I&#8217;ve just never found a way to do that while protecting my livelihood, short of not writing in a casual medium like blogging at all.</p>
<p>Check your email.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eric Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-177061</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 02:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-177061</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I have seen these quotes in the Claire Christensen book at pages 405 and 406 but they were not footnoted there either so I have no idea re: existence or reliability of the source.  Also, Mary Cox Whiting records in her history that it was Jedediah Adair&#039;s family that took them in at House Rock.  Both George Washington Adairs appear to have resided elsewhere at the time but it would be interesting to know if there is a further source indicating to the contrary.  I did not see a cite to the contrary in my review of the Christensen book.  Didn&#039;t mean to pry on the sources but as I am trying to write a short bio of Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and the sum total of the sources appear to be of the family history variety, it is rather tough to meet minimal academic standards or follow up on accounts.  Thanks for responding.  ECO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen these quotes in the Claire Christensen book at pages 405 and 406 but they were not footnoted there either so I have no idea re: existence or reliability of the source.  Also, Mary Cox Whiting records in her history that it was Jedediah Adair&#8217;s family that took them in at House Rock.  Both George Washington Adairs appear to have resided elsewhere at the time but it would be interesting to know if there is a further source indicating to the contrary.  I did not see a cite to the contrary in my review of the Christensen book.  Didn&#8217;t mean to pry on the sources but as I am trying to write a short bio of Mary Elizabeth Cox Whiting and the sum total of the sources appear to be of the family history variety, it is rather tough to meet minimal academic standards or follow up on accounts.  Thanks for responding.  ECO</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-174736</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-174736</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Eric, I generally don&#039;t post citations -- I earn my living as a paid researcher of Mormon history, and posting citations generally results in my work being absorbed into other people&#039;s writings without credit or benefit. I realize that my declining to cite sources is problematic, though, and appreciate that regular readers have come to trust that I have adequate sources for the stories I tell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, I generally don&#8217;t post citations &#8212; I earn my living as a paid researcher of Mormon history, and posting citations generally results in my work being absorbed into other people&#8217;s writings without credit or benefit. I realize that my declining to cite sources is problematic, though, and appreciate that regular readers have come to trust that I have adequate sources for the stories I tell.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eric Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-174729</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 18:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-174729</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Ardis-

What were your sources for the two quotes given in connection with the account of May Whiting&#039;s grave?

ECO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis-</p>
<p>What were your sources for the two quotes given in connection with the account of May Whiting&#8217;s grave?</p>
<p>ECO</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-23191</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-23191</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Julie, I have no known family connection to anybody in this piece unless you count &quot;sister in the gospel&quot; as a family connection. This is a Mormon history blog where I write about any Mormon story that strikes my fancy. I&#039;m very glad that you found the article -- it&#039;s interesting to me to hear that a living person remembers this excursion. Certainly May has not been forgotten!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, I have no known family connection to anybody in this piece unless you count &#8220;sister in the gospel&#8221; as a family connection. This is a Mormon history blog where I write about any Mormon story that strikes my fancy. I&#8217;m very glad that you found the article &#8212; it&#8217;s interesting to me to hear that a living person remembers this excursion. Certainly May has not been forgotten!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Julie Doman</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-23190</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Doman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 20:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-23190</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Ardis,

I am wondering how you might be related to Oscar Juan Whiting.  May Whiting was the great, great aunt of Oscar Juan Whiting.  Oscar Juan Whiting is my husbands grandfather.  He went on the excursion you spoke of in the account to visit May&#039;s grave when he was 12 years old.  He remembered this experience very well and took his own children (my mother-in-law) back to also visit.

Julie Adair Doman
(married to Clay Whiting Doman)

Here is the fantatsic twist to the story... George Washington Adair, mentioned in May Whiting&#039;s story above, is my relative!  What a joy to read and find not only more information about my husband&#039;s Aunt May, but that the nephew of my 4th great grandfather helped the Whiting family before and after May&#039;s death.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis,</p>
<p>I am wondering how you might be related to Oscar Juan Whiting.  May Whiting was the great, great aunt of Oscar Juan Whiting.  Oscar Juan Whiting is my husbands grandfather.  He went on the excursion you spoke of in the account to visit May&#8217;s grave when he was 12 years old.  He remembered this experience very well and took his own children (my mother-in-law) back to also visit.</p>
<p>Julie Adair Doman<br />
(married to Clay Whiting Doman)</p>
<p>Here is the fantatsic twist to the story&#8230; George Washington Adair, mentioned in May Whiting&#8217;s story above, is my relative!  What a joy to read and find not only more information about my husband&#8217;s Aunt May, but that the nephew of my 4th great grandfather helped the Whiting family before and after May&#8217;s death.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Blake Messinger</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-18847</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake Messinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-18847</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[What a great story to pass down to your family Ardis.  Thank you for sharing this story and guiding me to my Messinger linage that links me to the same Whiting family in Springville, UT that we share.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great story to pass down to your family Ardis.  Thank you for sharing this story and guiding me to my Messinger linage that links me to the same Whiting family in Springville, UT that we share.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: S.Faux</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-18007</link>
		<dc:creator>S.Faux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-18007</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I have not found any cemetery more inspiring than the &lt;a href=&quot;http://mormoninsights.blogspot.com/2008/08/still-testing-null-hypothesis.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Old Pioneer Cemetery of Nauvoo&lt;/a&gt;.  I even have a favorite headstone.  The place, surrounded with large trees, is peaceful, a little isolated, infrequently visited, and very spiritual.  The cemetery reminds me of my Mormon heritage, the sacrifices of the pioneers, and even the sacrifices that I must make.  I do NOT look forward to death, but I do not fear it either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not found any cemetery more inspiring than the <a href="http://mormoninsights.blogspot.com/2008/08/still-testing-null-hypothesis.html" rel="nofollow">Old Pioneer Cemetery of Nauvoo</a>.  I even have a favorite headstone.  The place, surrounded with large trees, is peaceful, a little isolated, infrequently visited, and very spiritual.  The cemetery reminds me of my Mormon heritage, the sacrifices of the pioneers, and even the sacrifices that I must make.  I do NOT look forward to death, but I do not fear it either.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-17892</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-17892</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I have mixed feelings about visiting graves.  Not any negative ones, but after the deaths of my parents, it became quite clear to me that the essence of who they were had departed their mortal tabernacles, and was elsewhere. Visiting graves with relatives gives you a chance to talk about them with others, but visiting by myself, alone, does not hold much attraction.  It&#039;s nice when it includes the socialization.  I have visited my parents graves a number of times since, but infrequently, as they are buried in Highland, Utah, and we live in Washington State. 

A member of my ward and his wife served as senior missionaries at the Winter Quarters/Council Bluffs temple visitors center while it was being constructed, and as a retired architect, was given some extra responsibilities, which included dragging a sled with ground-penetrating radar through the cemetery there, trying to locate some lost graves that were not well recorded in the records there.  It&#039;s an interesting story I should get him to write down.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have mixed feelings about visiting graves.  Not any negative ones, but after the deaths of my parents, it became quite clear to me that the essence of who they were had departed their mortal tabernacles, and was elsewhere. Visiting graves with relatives gives you a chance to talk about them with others, but visiting by myself, alone, does not hold much attraction.  It&#8217;s nice when it includes the socialization.  I have visited my parents graves a number of times since, but infrequently, as they are buried in Highland, Utah, and we live in Washington State. </p>
<p>A member of my ward and his wife served as senior missionaries at the Winter Quarters/Council Bluffs temple visitors center while it was being constructed, and as a retired architect, was given some extra responsibilities, which included dragging a sled with ground-penetrating radar through the cemetery there, trying to locate some lost graves that were not well recorded in the records there.  It&#8217;s an interesting story I should get him to write down.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/12/10/the-grave-hath-no-victory/comment-page-1/#comment-17885</link>
		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=4878#comment-17885</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this.  

I don&#039;t have a strong belief in communicating with the departed at the gravesite, but that doesn&#039;t mean that I don&#039;t find the experience to be spiritually and personally significant, either.  I think that visiting a cemetery/grave is an uplifting experience because it combines some element of mental, spiritual and physical effort.  As the post pointed out, we don&#039;t really believe that grandpa is there, in the ground, but we are physically remembering the deceased.  There&#039;s an element of sacrifice that makes the visit meaningful.  

Moreover, there&#039;s a physical element to it, too.  Walking to a grave, getting in a car, sometimes searching on a map to find a grave -- all of these things involve some physical exertion and heighten the experience.  Last, remembering loved ones at the place of their final resting spot, does something to cement familial bonds, as well as give perspective that, well, we&#039;re all going to die someday, too.  It&#039;s sobering in a meaningful and uplifting way.

We&#039;ve taken our kids to visit several cemeteries and it&#039;s usually been a very good experience, even if we have to sometimes remind them not to run around like a bunch of monkies.  I think it does even the little ones a service to know that, sometimes, there are times and places in this world where our sense of connection to those that went before requires a little sobriety and quiet.  

As for taking photos, as you once pointed out, Ardis, pictures taken at graves look like a family portrait with the stone standing in for the missing family member.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a strong belief in communicating with the departed at the gravesite, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that I don&#8217;t find the experience to be spiritually and personally significant, either.  I think that visiting a cemetery/grave is an uplifting experience because it combines some element of mental, spiritual and physical effort.  As the post pointed out, we don&#8217;t really believe that grandpa is there, in the ground, but we are physically remembering the deceased.  There&#8217;s an element of sacrifice that makes the visit meaningful.  </p>
<p>Moreover, there&#8217;s a physical element to it, too.  Walking to a grave, getting in a car, sometimes searching on a map to find a grave &#8212; all of these things involve some physical exertion and heighten the experience.  Last, remembering loved ones at the place of their final resting spot, does something to cement familial bonds, as well as give perspective that, well, we&#8217;re all going to die someday, too.  It&#8217;s sobering in a meaningful and uplifting way.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve taken our kids to visit several cemeteries and it&#8217;s usually been a very good experience, even if we have to sometimes remind them not to run around like a bunch of monkies.  I think it does even the little ones a service to know that, sometimes, there are times and places in this world where our sense of connection to those that went before requires a little sobriety and quiet.  </p>
<p>As for taking photos, as you once pointed out, Ardis, pictures taken at graves look like a family portrait with the stone standing in for the missing family member.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
