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		<title>By: Mormon Triva: The Angel Moroni Statue &#171; MORMON SOPRANO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mormon Triva: The Angel Moroni Statue &#171; MORMON SOPRANO</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Read a fascinating trivia article about this statue at Keepapitchin entitled &#8220;Angel Moroni&#8217;s Secret&#8220;. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/30/the-angel-moronis-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-10915</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 10:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very glad you enjoyed it, Adam. Tell Moroni &quot;hello&quot; from me the next time you see him, please!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very glad you enjoyed it, Adam. Tell Moroni &#8220;hello&#8221; from me the next time you see him, please!</p>
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		<title>By: Adam V.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 07:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this story. I am not a member of the church but I drive by the L.A. Temple frequently and the Angel Moroni statue has fascinated me. This prompted me to take to the web to find out more about it. I never anticipated there would be such an enjoyable story and history behind the creation of the statue. Now I&#039;ll appreciate it all the more when I drive past. 

Also found it fascinating that the land for the L.A. Temple was acquired from Harold Loyd&#039;s film company. I love old Hollywood lore as well so it&#039;s all very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this story. I am not a member of the church but I drive by the L.A. Temple frequently and the Angel Moroni statue has fascinated me. This prompted me to take to the web to find out more about it. I never anticipated there would be such an enjoyable story and history behind the creation of the statue. Now I&#8217;ll appreciate it all the more when I drive past. </p>
<p>Also found it fascinating that the land for the L.A. Temple was acquired from Harold Loyd&#8217;s film company. I love old Hollywood lore as well so it&#8217;s all very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt A.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt A.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 17:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been reviewing the Angel Moroni posts hoping to find something on the 1840&#039;s Nauvoo temple angel. It is clear the Moroni was flying horizontally with a book in one hand and a trumpet in the other. The change to an erect Moroni for the new temple was determined by President Hinckley (Heidi Swinton, Sacred Stone: The Temple at Nauvoo, p. 20.) 
 In 1960, I was serving on the Cincinnati Stake High Council with a young man named Bobby D. Craig. He was researching Nauvoo history for a thesis or dissertation. It was said that the original angel from the Nauvoo temple was in the possession of a protestant church in Cincinnati. There was much discussion about the angel (weather vane) and whether it had wings. Craig was still searching when my company trasferred me to California. Does anyone have anything on this issue? There are two artistic depictions of the temple in Swinton&#039;s book, p. 83 and 119 which show an angel with apparent wings. Both are referenced to be in the Old Illinois Capitol Building in Springfield. Maybe someone going to MHA in Springfield this month could do some snooping?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been reviewing the Angel Moroni posts hoping to find something on the 1840&#8242;s Nauvoo temple angel. It is clear the Moroni was flying horizontally with a book in one hand and a trumpet in the other. The change to an erect Moroni for the new temple was determined by President Hinckley (Heidi Swinton, Sacred Stone: The Temple at Nauvoo, p. 20.)<br />
 In 1960, I was serving on the Cincinnati Stake High Council with a young man named Bobby D. Craig. He was researching Nauvoo history for a thesis or dissertation. It was said that the original angel from the Nauvoo temple was in the possession of a protestant church in Cincinnati. There was much discussion about the angel (weather vane) and whether it had wings. Craig was still searching when my company trasferred me to California. Does anyone have anything on this issue? There are two artistic depictions of the temple in Swinton&#8217;s book, p. 83 and 119 which show an angel with apparent wings. Both are referenced to be in the Old Illinois Capitol Building in Springfield. Maybe someone going to MHA in Springfield this month could do some snooping?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/30/the-angel-moronis-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-10601</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful, c.r.! Our history is never very far away, when there are people like you who were there for a meaningful event and who will share their memories. Thanks for commenting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, c.r.! Our history is never very far away, when there are people like you who were there for a meaningful event and who will share their memories. Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: c. r. sutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>c. r. sutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 04:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the fall of 1953 I was an art student taking classes from Avard Fairbanks (son Justin),  and Elbert Porter. The class was invited to go down to the studio where the statue was being built.  I remember talking briefly with Torlief Knapus who was working on the base( feet area ) of the statue.  It was most fascinating. I guess this is one  of those&quot;I, too&quot; had a peek at this developing monument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the fall of 1953 I was an art student taking classes from Avard Fairbanks (son Justin),  and Elbert Porter. The class was invited to go down to the studio where the statue was being built.  I remember talking briefly with Torlief Knapus who was working on the base( feet area ) of the statue.  It was most fascinating. I guess this is one  of those&#8221;I, too&#8221; had a peek at this developing monument.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Passey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Passey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 07:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of topics.  You mention one sculptor being with Gutzon Borglum.  His father moved to Ogden where he was the target of ridicule for his polygamous marriages and he abandoned Gutzon&#039;s mother.  Gutzon later pursued an art teacher in CA who was close to his mother&#039;s age. He studied in Paris for a time under Rodin and became famous for his bust of Lincoln.  Yes, he worked on Stone Mountain in the 30&#039;s,a project funded by the Ku Klux Klan where his violent temper ended in a disagreement and him smashing the model.  After more than a year of work, his rendering on the mountain was jack hammered off and another artist took over.  That&#039;s why he was available for Mt. Rushmore.  He worked on two major commisions in Europe during that time leaving his son Lincoln in charge for a substantial period of time. He never admitted to either his age nor his Mormon roots.

Regarding the Angel Moroni statues, I try to separate fact from folklore which is abundant.  For example, I heard a constructon company employee explain to a cleaning crew prior to the Timpanogos temple open house about the sun lining up through the east window medallion with a medallion being painted at the time on the West precisely on April 6.  She eagerly pointed out doctrinal symbolism in the architectural glass.  I found that interesting as I made that purchase and the architect wasn&#039;t LDS, but had received a letter AFTER his design asking about the symbolism, so in a attempt to comply, he consulted a copy of Mormon Doctrine and complied to the request. Similar stories exist such as the artist  who painted a cloud mural in LV temple subconciously painting the face of a young girl, then stepping back to see for the first time--his daughter who had been killed in a car accident.  FALSE  The artist who related the story to me never had any daughters.  There are many wonderful true stories that are not told, I assume, because details quickly become altered and people tend to focus on trivia instead of substance.

So, I will try and stick to the facts.  Angel Moroni statues today are made of fiberglass which is brushed with sizing (glue) and covered with high grade German gold leafing.  Since gold does not rust, the foil lasts many years without any exterior coating.  Some statues prior to being grounded have been struck by lightning and have turned black.  One which had a lightning rod retrofitted was not properly sealed allowing water to seep inside the hollow cavity.  When it was struck by lightning, the water turned to steam causing immense pressure which blew the face of the statue off.  More attention was given to the sealant process in the future.

My point is that while most people seem to think that every detail of temple construction is akin to the &quot;two cubits of gopher wood&quot; explicit revelation of the Old Testament, there is a lot of trial and error.  For example, some drawings remain for the original Nauvoo temple, but some were lost crossing a stream enroute to Utah.  No one knows now exactly what the furniture looked like so time-period pieces were procurred after much research.  The mechanical complexities of modern architectural design obviously were not incorporated into the original temple such as HVAC and elevators.  Keep your interests but don&#039;t lose your focus.  Knowing Orson Pratt recorded the phases of the moon from his observatory on temple square which now appear on the 50 buttresses aroung the Salt Lake temple is interesting, but becomes distracting in search of deeper meanings.  In fact, while no common standards exist for the exquisite design and construction of our temples, a two-hour discussion one day resulted in &quot;temple quality&quot; being defined as &quot;not distracting patrons from the sacred purposes of the temple.&quot;  Worthy pursuits of historical accuracy should aupport rather than distract our pursuit to embrace true principles.  Early believers in Africa absent direction from the Church made their &quot;angel&quot; of concrete painted gold.  Standing, flying, aluminum, fiberglass, east, west--does it really matter?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of topics.  You mention one sculptor being with Gutzon Borglum.  His father moved to Ogden where he was the target of ridicule for his polygamous marriages and he abandoned Gutzon&#8217;s mother.  Gutzon later pursued an art teacher in CA who was close to his mother&#8217;s age. He studied in Paris for a time under Rodin and became famous for his bust of Lincoln.  Yes, he worked on Stone Mountain in the 30&#8242;s,a project funded by the Ku Klux Klan where his violent temper ended in a disagreement and him smashing the model.  After more than a year of work, his rendering on the mountain was jack hammered off and another artist took over.  That&#8217;s why he was available for Mt. Rushmore.  He worked on two major commisions in Europe during that time leaving his son Lincoln in charge for a substantial period of time. He never admitted to either his age nor his Mormon roots.</p>
<p>Regarding the Angel Moroni statues, I try to separate fact from folklore which is abundant.  For example, I heard a constructon company employee explain to a cleaning crew prior to the Timpanogos temple open house about the sun lining up through the east window medallion with a medallion being painted at the time on the West precisely on April 6.  She eagerly pointed out doctrinal symbolism in the architectural glass.  I found that interesting as I made that purchase and the architect wasn&#8217;t LDS, but had received a letter AFTER his design asking about the symbolism, so in a attempt to comply, he consulted a copy of Mormon Doctrine and complied to the request. Similar stories exist such as the artist  who painted a cloud mural in LV temple subconciously painting the face of a young girl, then stepping back to see for the first time&#8211;his daughter who had been killed in a car accident.  FALSE  The artist who related the story to me never had any daughters.  There are many wonderful true stories that are not told, I assume, because details quickly become altered and people tend to focus on trivia instead of substance.</p>
<p>So, I will try and stick to the facts.  Angel Moroni statues today are made of fiberglass which is brushed with sizing (glue) and covered with high grade German gold leafing.  Since gold does not rust, the foil lasts many years without any exterior coating.  Some statues prior to being grounded have been struck by lightning and have turned black.  One which had a lightning rod retrofitted was not properly sealed allowing water to seep inside the hollow cavity.  When it was struck by lightning, the water turned to steam causing immense pressure which blew the face of the statue off.  More attention was given to the sealant process in the future.</p>
<p>My point is that while most people seem to think that every detail of temple construction is akin to the &#8220;two cubits of gopher wood&#8221; explicit revelation of the Old Testament, there is a lot of trial and error.  For example, some drawings remain for the original Nauvoo temple, but some were lost crossing a stream enroute to Utah.  No one knows now exactly what the furniture looked like so time-period pieces were procurred after much research.  The mechanical complexities of modern architectural design obviously were not incorporated into the original temple such as HVAC and elevators.  Keep your interests but don&#8217;t lose your focus.  Knowing Orson Pratt recorded the phases of the moon from his observatory on temple square which now appear on the 50 buttresses aroung the Salt Lake temple is interesting, but becomes distracting in search of deeper meanings.  In fact, while no common standards exist for the exquisite design and construction of our temples, a two-hour discussion one day resulted in &#8220;temple quality&#8221; being defined as &#8220;not distracting patrons from the sacred purposes of the temple.&#8221;  Worthy pursuits of historical accuracy should aupport rather than distract our pursuit to embrace true principles.  Early believers in Africa absent direction from the Church made their &#8220;angel&#8221; of concrete painted gold.  Standing, flying, aluminum, fiberglass, east, west&#8211;does it really matter?</p>
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		<title>By: J. Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/30/the-angel-moronis-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-10489</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 00:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[L. A. Angel Moroni gets correction from the prophet

Concerning the Statue in question
During one of his frequent visits to the temple, President David O. McKay noticed that the angel faced southeast as did the temple. He informed architect Edward O. Anderson &quot;that it was not correct in that position…that the angel must face east.&quot; The angel had generated much conversation among the neighbors, and one indicated, perhaps tongue in cheek, that she &quot;certainly never would be interested [in learning more about the Church] until the angel faced her home.&quot; One morning she awoke to find the statue &quot;was looking directly at her place.&quot; Brother Anderson had followed President McKay&#039;s instructions to turn the angel.
I guess Pres. Mckay didn&#039;t pass along that bit of wisdom to his successors, although most of the Angels Moroni face East or some derivative   

This is not an urban legend!!!! I found it in a Book!!! ... And on the internet!!!!  Ardis, if you&#039;d like the source you might find it encoded in my grandfathers diary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L. A. Angel Moroni gets correction from the prophet</p>
<p>Concerning the Statue in question<br />
During one of his frequent visits to the temple, President David O. McKay noticed that the angel faced southeast as did the temple. He informed architect Edward O. Anderson &#8220;that it was not correct in that position…that the angel must face east.&#8221; The angel had generated much conversation among the neighbors, and one indicated, perhaps tongue in cheek, that she &#8220;certainly never would be interested [in learning more about the Church] until the angel faced her home.&#8221; One morning she awoke to find the statue &#8220;was looking directly at her place.&#8221; Brother Anderson had followed President McKay&#8217;s instructions to turn the angel.<br />
I guess Pres. Mckay didn&#8217;t pass along that bit of wisdom to his successors, although most of the Angels Moroni face East or some derivative   </p>
<p>This is not an urban legend!!!! I found it in a Book!!! &#8230; And on the internet!!!!  Ardis, if you&#8217;d like the source you might find it encoded in my grandfathers diary.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/30/the-angel-moronis-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-10488</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 00:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moroni Facing East

The Taipei, Taiwan Temple Angel Moroni faces west symbolically sounding his trumpet to the vast Chinese mainland.

The Chicago Temple Angel Moroni Faces north toward the great land of  ... Milwaukee?   

Manhattan New York Temple Angel Moroni Faces South West most likely towards Hoboken, NJ 

The São Paulo Brazil Temple Angel Moroni faces South towards Antarctica (all those penguins!! )

The Stockholm Sweden Temple Angel Moroni also faces South while the Preston England Angel Moroni faces South East]]></description>
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<p>The Taipei, Taiwan Temple Angel Moroni faces west symbolically sounding his trumpet to the vast Chinese mainland.</p>
<p>The Chicago Temple Angel Moroni Faces north toward the great land of  &#8230; Milwaukee?   </p>
<p>Manhattan New York Temple Angel Moroni Faces South West most likely towards Hoboken, NJ </p>
<p>The São Paulo Brazil Temple Angel Moroni faces South towards Antarctica (all those penguins!! )</p>
<p>The Stockholm Sweden Temple Angel Moroni also faces South while the Preston England Angel Moroni faces South East</p>
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		<title>By: J. Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 21:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bullet holes, Lightning, Golf balls   

&quot;Bullet holes in the Angel Moroni&quot; sounds like a headline you would never see in the Ensign magazine. It sounds plausible though. 

Lightning sounds more probable, especially on some of the bigger temples. For example. the Washington D. C. Temple has five spires, the tallest of which is 288 feet high. You can see that the spires change color going up  from a nice gold to brown near the top. The tips of all the spires are even darker, presumably where lightning has scorched them. (Gold is an excellent conductor of electricity).

On the Logan Temple you can see an inch-thick cable wire coming down from the top of the west tower straight into the ground. Its pretty obvious its a lightning rod.  

When I visited the Billings Montana Temple in 2003 the head groundskeeper showed me around and one of his stories was the origin of a dent in a metal utility door on the north side. It was a  about an eighth of an inch deep and round with what looked like dimples. One day he had noticed a lot of golf balls around the temple grounds and figured someone had hit the balls from atop the ridge line  directly north of the temple. I didn&#039;t take a picture of the dent but you could call the current groundskeeper  406-655-0607 and ask for  verification.

The same groundskeeper also told me that once, after dusk, he heard some gunshots and saw a truck driving away from the field directly west of the temple. He thought they were taking potshots at the temple.  He might have filed a police report so you could check that out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullet holes, Lightning, Golf balls   </p>
<p>&#8220;Bullet holes in the Angel Moroni&#8221; sounds like a headline you would never see in the Ensign magazine. It sounds plausible though. </p>
<p>Lightning sounds more probable, especially on some of the bigger temples. For example. the Washington D. C. Temple has five spires, the tallest of which is 288 feet high. You can see that the spires change color going up  from a nice gold to brown near the top. The tips of all the spires are even darker, presumably where lightning has scorched them. (Gold is an excellent conductor of electricity).</p>
<p>On the Logan Temple you can see an inch-thick cable wire coming down from the top of the west tower straight into the ground. Its pretty obvious its a lightning rod.  </p>
<p>When I visited the Billings Montana Temple in 2003 the head groundskeeper showed me around and one of his stories was the origin of a dent in a metal utility door on the north side. It was a  about an eighth of an inch deep and round with what looked like dimples. One day he had noticed a lot of golf balls around the temple grounds and figured someone had hit the balls from atop the ridge line  directly north of the temple. I didn&#8217;t take a picture of the dent but you could call the current groundskeeper  406-655-0607 and ask for  verification.</p>
<p>The same groundskeeper also told me that once, after dusk, he heard some gunshots and saw a truck driving away from the field directly west of the temple. He thought they were taking potshots at the temple.  He might have filed a police report so you could check that out.</p>
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