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	<title>Comments on: Missionary Imprisoned for Civil Infraction, 1910</title>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/27/missionary-imprisoned-for-civil-infranction-1910/comment-page-1/#comment-10275</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh! When my grandmother came to Utah and started teaching elementary school in a mining camp -- where I don&#039;t suppose fine manners and tact about things like accents were everywhere encountered -- my grandmother worked hard to learn a new language. Her reasoning, given years later, was &quot;If I was going to teach those little heathens, I had to learn to talk like them.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh! When my grandmother came to Utah and started teaching elementary school in a mining camp &#8212; where I don&#8217;t suppose fine manners and tact about things like accents were everywhere encountered &#8212; my grandmother worked hard to learn a new language. Her reasoning, given years later, was &#8220;If I was going to teach those little heathens, I had to learn to talk like them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/27/missionary-imprisoned-for-civil-infranction-1910/comment-page-1/#comment-10273</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Y&#039;all in the West just talk funny. &quot;Chill bumps&quot; makes far more sense. :) 

Of course, living in Tennessee, I&#039;ve heard both, but I never made the connection that it might be regional thing.

Ardis, I like this story. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y&#8217;all in the West just talk funny. &#8220;Chill bumps&#8221; makes far more sense. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Of course, living in Tennessee, I&#8217;ve heard both, but I never made the connection that it might be regional thing.</p>
<p>Ardis, I like this story. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Goose bumps&quot; to you and me in the West, Hunter, but maybe they have a different name in Tatiana&#039;s South. (My Alabama grandmother regularly surprised me with twists like that.)

Thanks, Ray and Tatiana, for your recognition of the story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Goose bumps&#8221; to you and me in the West, Hunter, but maybe they have a different name in Tatiana&#8217;s South. (My Alabama grandmother regularly surprised me with twists like that.)</p>
<p>Thanks, Ray and Tatiana, for your recognition of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Chill bumps&quot;

You mean &quot;goose bumps,&quot; right?  [grin]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chill bumps&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean &#8220;goose bumps,&#8221; right?  [grin]</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What an awesome story!  Thanks for posting this.  It gives me chill bumps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awesome story!  Thanks for posting this.  It gives me chill bumps.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Ardis.  These stories are so poignant to me, especially as I read of people complaining about and leaving the Church for such more trivial excuses.  Truly Elder Kjar&#039;s heart was right with God. 

I don&#039;t want to threadjack this excellent post, but from what I know of the young man who was jailed recently, I have no doubt Elder Kjar is looking on with a smile on his face.  I don&#039;t doubt this good man is doing all he can to share the Gospel wherever he is, to whatever extent he can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Ardis.  These stories are so poignant to me, especially as I read of people complaining about and leaving the Church for such more trivial excuses.  Truly Elder Kjar&#8217;s heart was right with God. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to threadjack this excellent post, but from what I know of the young man who was jailed recently, I have no doubt Elder Kjar is looking on with a smile on his face.  I don&#8217;t doubt this good man is doing all he can to share the Gospel wherever he is, to whatever extent he can.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/27/missionary-imprisoned-for-civil-infranction-1910/comment-page-1/#comment-10243</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is, of course, what reminded me of Elder Kjar&#039;s story, Bookslinger -- the image of an apostle or a prophet or an elder preaching the gospel in prison is such a powerful one, recalling the work of the Savior while His body waited in the tomb, when He initiated the preaching of the gospel to the spirits in prison. &quot;For the works which ye have seen me do, that shall ye also do.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is, of course, what reminded me of Elder Kjar&#8217;s story, Bookslinger &#8212; the image of an apostle or a prophet or an elder preaching the gospel in prison is such a powerful one, recalling the work of the Savior while His body waited in the tomb, when He initiated the preaching of the gospel to the spirits in prison. &#8220;For the works which ye have seen me do, that shall ye also do.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bookslinger</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/27/missionary-imprisoned-for-civil-infranction-1910/comment-page-1/#comment-10242</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookslinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[blush]&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;m flattered by the comparison, though I think Ardis&#039; main tie-in is the recent event of the immigrant missionary being arrested/detained in Cincinnati at the end of his mission, for being an undocumented/illegal immigrant.

It was also &lt;a href=&quot;http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/another-reason-why-church-members-should-support-comprehensive-immigration-reform/#comment-290204&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reported over at T&amp;S&lt;/a&gt;, that the missionary was preaching to a fellow inmate, and the fellow inmate was relocated as a result.  

I was going to copy/paste Ray&#039;s comment here, but I&#039;ll leave that to Ardis.

Elder Kjar, and the Cincinnati elder, join a list of notables, including the Apostle Paul, the Prophet Joseph, and many ancient prophets and missionaries, who were imprisoned for, essentially, preaching the gospel, and thereby are given more opportunities to preach.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[blush]</i> I&#8217;m flattered by the comparison, though I think Ardis&#8217; main tie-in is the recent event of the immigrant missionary being arrested/detained in Cincinnati at the end of his mission, for being an undocumented/illegal immigrant.</p>
<p>It was also <a href="http://timesandseasons.org/index.php/2009/04/another-reason-why-church-members-should-support-comprehensive-immigration-reform/#comment-290204" rel="nofollow">reported over at T&amp;S</a>, that the missionary was preaching to a fellow inmate, and the fellow inmate was relocated as a result.  </p>
<p>I was going to copy/paste Ray&#8217;s comment here, but I&#8217;ll leave that to Ardis.</p>
<p>Elder Kjar, and the Cincinnati elder, join a list of notables, including the Apostle Paul, the Prophet Joseph, and many ancient prophets and missionaries, who were imprisoned for, essentially, preaching the gospel, and thereby are given more opportunities to preach.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/27/missionary-imprisoned-for-civil-infranction-1910/comment-page-1/#comment-10241</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 19:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! ESO, Bookslinger came to my mind, too! 

Steve, I don&#039;t know of any followup to this, although, of course, once somebody is on my radar, I&#039;ll recognize the connection if I ever run across one. Wouldn&#039;t that be one of the best stories for someone to tell today when people compare notes about how their families joined the Church? &quot;Well, my great-grandfather jailed a missionary/talked to a missionary through a prison wall/found some Mormon pamphlets under his pillow when he was sent to jail.&quot;

Thank you, Hunter. As you so often do, you look deeper into the story than occurred to me. You have a way of lifting something out of the realm of &quot;interesting anecdote&quot; and raising it to the level of &quot;gospel principle.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! ESO, Bookslinger came to my mind, too! </p>
<p>Steve, I don&#8217;t know of any followup to this, although, of course, once somebody is on my radar, I&#8217;ll recognize the connection if I ever run across one. Wouldn&#8217;t that be one of the best stories for someone to tell today when people compare notes about how their families joined the Church? &#8220;Well, my great-grandfather jailed a missionary/talked to a missionary through a prison wall/found some Mormon pamphlets under his pillow when he was sent to jail.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, Hunter. As you so often do, you look deeper into the story than occurred to me. You have a way of lifting something out of the realm of &#8220;interesting anecdote&#8221; and raising it to the level of &#8220;gospel principle.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow - what a great account.  I was struck by two main themes in Elder Kjar&#039;s account.  One, that he never seems to have been &quot;unrighteously proud&quot; of his experience.  He eschews the typical persecution vocabulary, only once referring to the event as an &quot;ordeal,&quot; and that a relatively benign term.  Instead of drawing parallels to others&#039; prison experiences, he seems to have viewed it as a useful, but insignificant event.  What a soul!

Which brings me to the other point that stood out: Elder Kjar was obviously bold and unafraid, and his zealousness in sharing his witness and the literature is remarkable.  But that one line about the co-prisoner really seems to get to the essence of who he was.  After his two hour conversation, the woman prisoner said the expected and possibly obligatory response that she would be interested in learning more about the Church, yadda yadda.  But then, she says something more, and it indicates that she must have had some sort of change of heart: &quot;[S]he said it was her intention to . . . try and live a good life hereafter.&quot;  To me, the fact that the woman prisoner&#039;s heart was softened during their conversation, and above and beyond his strong defense of doctrinal points, is evidence of Elder Kjar&#039;s Christianity.

Thanks for this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; what a great account.  I was struck by two main themes in Elder Kjar&#8217;s account.  One, that he never seems to have been &#8220;unrighteously proud&#8221; of his experience.  He eschews the typical persecution vocabulary, only once referring to the event as an &#8220;ordeal,&#8221; and that a relatively benign term.  Instead of drawing parallels to others&#8217; prison experiences, he seems to have viewed it as a useful, but insignificant event.  What a soul!</p>
<p>Which brings me to the other point that stood out: Elder Kjar was obviously bold and unafraid, and his zealousness in sharing his witness and the literature is remarkable.  But that one line about the co-prisoner really seems to get to the essence of who he was.  After his two hour conversation, the woman prisoner said the expected and possibly obligatory response that she would be interested in learning more about the Church, yadda yadda.  But then, she says something more, and it indicates that she must have had some sort of change of heart: &#8220;[S]he said it was her intention to . . . try and live a good life hereafter.&#8221;  To me, the fact that the woman prisoner&#8217;s heart was softened during their conversation, and above and beyond his strong defense of doctrinal points, is evidence of Elder Kjar&#8217;s Christianity.</p>
<p>Thanks for this.</p>
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