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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/15/the-destiny-of-the-unmarried/comment-page-1/#comment-10178</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Periodic reminder: Keepa is a blog exploring Mormon history: events, people, doctrines, practices. We talk about things as they &lt;em&gt;were&lt;/em&gt;, which is not necessarily always as they &lt;em&gt;should&lt;/em&gt; have been or as they now &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt;. 

Materials posted on Keepa are offered for their historical value, for understanding who we were and how we came to be who we are. They are not presented as an alternative to or replacement for modern thought and materials. It should go without saying that within a community acknowledging ongoing revelation, no lesson, doctrine, or practice of the past trumps a lesson, doctrine, or practice of the present.

(lollydm, you may have missed the first line of this post, which identifies this as an official MIA lesson discussed by the Young Ladies&#039; Mutual Improvement Association in 1922. It isn&#039;t a lesson I wrote to be taught anywhere today.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Periodic reminder: Keepa is a blog exploring Mormon history: events, people, doctrines, practices. We talk about things as they <em>were</em>, which is not necessarily always as they <em>should</em> have been or as they now <em>are</em>. </p>
<p>Materials posted on Keepa are offered for their historical value, for understanding who we were and how we came to be who we are. They are not presented as an alternative to or replacement for modern thought and materials. It should go without saying that within a community acknowledging ongoing revelation, no lesson, doctrine, or practice of the past trumps a lesson, doctrine, or practice of the present.</p>
<p>(lollydm, you may have missed the first line of this post, which identifies this as an official MIA lesson discussed by the Young Ladies&#8217; Mutual Improvement Association in 1922. It isn&#8217;t a lesson I wrote to be taught anywhere today.)</p>
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		<title>By: lollydm</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/15/the-destiny-of-the-unmarried/comment-page-1/#comment-10177</link>
		<dc:creator>lollydm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 01:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shouldn&#039;t there be scripture references for each of the doctrines taught? Unless there are I cannot except this as doctrine, but rather as opinion.

I am particularly uncomfortable with the idea of &quot;Voluntary Spinsterhood.&quot; That sounds like it is in direct conflict with:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force.&quot;&lt;/em&gt; (The Family a Proclamation to the World)

Moses 3: 18
  18 And I, the Lord God, said unto mine Only Begotten, that it was not good that the man should be alone; wherefore, I will make an help meet for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t there be scripture references for each of the doctrines taught? Unless there are I cannot except this as doctrine, but rather as opinion.</p>
<p>I am particularly uncomfortable with the idea of &#8220;Voluntary Spinsterhood.&#8221; That sounds like it is in direct conflict with:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;The first commandment that God gave to Adam and Eve pertained to their potential for parenthood as husband and wife. We declare that God’s commandment for His children to multiply and replenish the earth remains in force.&#8221;</em> (The Family a Proclamation to the World)</p>
<p>Moses 3: 18<br />
  18 And I, the Lord God, said unto mine Only Begotten, that it was not good that the man should be alone; wherefore, I will make an help meet for him.</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/15/the-destiny-of-the-unmarried/comment-page-1/#comment-9774</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, re your # 22, my wife was at a stake RS conference a number of years back, and a member of our stake presidency, in a moment of exceptional lucidity, was talking about education for the women of the church, and their daughters.  This was actually back in the early 80&#039;s.

He asked how many women had planned to work at a career, and had pursued education towards that end.  About 20% of the hands went up.  He then asked how many had actually had to work outside the home, and 90% of the hands went up.

He then went on to talk about the importance of education for everyone, and said that if you were by circumstances not of your choosing forced into the workplace, you&#039;d be better off with more education, and a chance at a better paying job.  

Nothing like a little doctrine tempered by practical experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, re your # 22, my wife was at a stake RS conference a number of years back, and a member of our stake presidency, in a moment of exceptional lucidity, was talking about education for the women of the church, and their daughters.  This was actually back in the early 80&#8242;s.</p>
<p>He asked how many women had planned to work at a career, and had pursued education towards that end.  About 20% of the hands went up.  He then asked how many had actually had to work outside the home, and 90% of the hands went up.</p>
<p>He then went on to talk about the importance of education for everyone, and said that if you were by circumstances not of your choosing forced into the workplace, you&#8217;d be better off with more education, and a chance at a better paying job.  </p>
<p>Nothing like a little doctrine tempered by practical experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Ardis, #18 - My take on it is that there&#039;s doctrine and policy (the subjects of frequent debate), then there&#039;s just plain old wisdom. This manual doesn&#039;t have the names of any general authorities behind it, so I would be hard pressed to use it as doctrinal ammunition, but that doesn&#039;t prevent me from enjoying, applying, and sharing the wisdom it contains on a self-evident basis. So please, never stop the work you do. The work is wonderful, and so are you. Looking at our history (both wisdom and folly) is ennobling for us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ardis, #18 &#8211; My take on it is that there&#8217;s doctrine and policy (the subjects of frequent debate), then there&#8217;s just plain old wisdom. This manual doesn&#8217;t have the names of any general authorities behind it, so I would be hard pressed to use it as doctrinal ammunition, but that doesn&#8217;t prevent me from enjoying, applying, and sharing the wisdom it contains on a self-evident basis. So please, never stop the work you do. The work is wonderful, and so are you. Looking at our history (both wisdom and folly) is ennobling for us all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My grandfather’s sister never married. Everyone that knew her found her to be fascinating and exciting. She had been engage twice and both times her fiancé died before the wedding. She left Salt Lake City, ended up in San Francisco and became involved in several meaningful causes. Just before she died, my family, by chance, moved close enough to her that I could get to know her better. After she died, my mother and I went to clean her apartment. It was very clear she had a full life. It reminded me of the commercial showing an elderly lady passing with photos all around her as evidence of a rich life; learning to fly a plane, traveling to Egypt, etc. (the commercial ended with her regretfully relizing she had never experienced Kohler&#039;s infinity bath tub) 
While we were at her appartment an elderly man arrived to share what he knew about my great aunt. They had known each other for years and he had proposed more than once. She staunchly refused saying she could never go through that again. I can’t say that I blame her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather’s sister never married. Everyone that knew her found her to be fascinating and exciting. She had been engage twice and both times her fiancé died before the wedding. She left Salt Lake City, ended up in San Francisco and became involved in several meaningful causes. Just before she died, my family, by chance, moved close enough to her that I could get to know her better. After she died, my mother and I went to clean her apartment. It was very clear she had a full life. It reminded me of the commercial showing an elderly lady passing with photos all around her as evidence of a rich life; learning to fly a plane, traveling to Egypt, etc. (the commercial ended with her regretfully relizing she had never experienced Kohler&#8217;s infinity bath tub)<br />
While we were at her appartment an elderly man arrived to share what he knew about my great aunt. They had known each other for years and he had proposed more than once. She staunchly refused saying she could never go through that again. I can’t say that I blame her.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 06:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coming to this discussion late . . . sorry.

Forgetting temporarily the main topics of the article on marriage and &quot;spinsterhood&quot;, I have to say that I found all of the down-to-earth, practical advice about human relations to be most meaningful.  This one is sublime: &lt;blockquote&gt;The grind of daily cares and annoyances needs the poise and adjustment of continual love and perfect understanding in order to secure the atmosphere of love and joy in the home.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coming to this discussion late . . . sorry.</p>
<p>Forgetting temporarily the main topics of the article on marriage and &#8220;spinsterhood&#8221;, I have to say that I found all of the down-to-earth, practical advice about human relations to be most meaningful.  This one is sublime:<br />
<blockquote>The grind of daily cares and annoyances needs the poise and adjustment of continual love and perfect understanding in order to secure the atmosphere of love and joy in the home.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t some Bishops and Stake Presidents need a &quot;clubbin&quot; once in a while?  I&#039;m with Bruce Crow on this one.  If you&#039;re not edgy enough, they&#039;ll give you more responsibility.

I like what it says about taking an active place in society.  Living most of my life in small units in the mission field I&#039;ve seen so many young women waiting for something to happen to them.  Young men are encouraged to go on missions and such.  I don&#039;t think we see something equivalent for young women.  And so a number just mark time.  I think it is important for both single men and women to be actively engaged in life.  Once I figured that out I found happiness (and then I got married--not saying I&#039;m unhappily married).

I also found the part about adoption interesting.  I know in my state voters passed a measure to forbid unmarried people from adopting.  I personally had issued with that; some of which are related to the post above.  Children have a right to have a loving parent (or two).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t some Bishops and Stake Presidents need a &#8220;clubbin&#8221; once in a while?  I&#8217;m with Bruce Crow on this one.  If you&#8217;re not edgy enough, they&#8217;ll give you more responsibility.</p>
<p>I like what it says about taking an active place in society.  Living most of my life in small units in the mission field I&#8217;ve seen so many young women waiting for something to happen to them.  Young men are encouraged to go on missions and such.  I don&#8217;t think we see something equivalent for young women.  And so a number just mark time.  I think it is important for both single men and women to be actively engaged in life.  Once I figured that out I found happiness (and then I got married&#8211;not saying I&#8217;m unhappily married).</p>
<p>I also found the part about adoption interesting.  I know in my state voters passed a measure to forbid unmarried people from adopting.  I personally had issued with that; some of which are related to the post above.  Children have a right to have a loving parent (or two).</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/15/the-destiny-of-the-unmarried/comment-page-1/#comment-9721</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good to know, ESO -- but I had you pegged as a clubbin&#039; sort of partyer. [g]

Thanks, all, for such a good discussion and some good natured fun. I&#039;m always interested in what [very little] is taught about single adulthood, and like Tatiana I&#039;ve had my heart broken by it a time or two. This lesson struck exactly the right tone for me: it taught to the pattern but acknowledged the reality, and it presents some very practical points for discussion. Today, it seems that when the possibility of singleness is acknowledged for girls the age of those studying this lesson (&quot;get an education in case you have to support yourself&quot;), it isn&#039;t presented as if it were &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; a possibility that would ever face anybody who was worth anything. &lt;em&gt;This&lt;/em&gt; lesson not only takes the possibility seriously, but treats it with respect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to know, ESO &#8212; but I had you pegged as a clubbin&#8217; sort of partyer. [g]</p>
<p>Thanks, all, for such a good discussion and some good natured fun. I&#8217;m always interested in what [very little] is taught about single adulthood, and like Tatiana I&#8217;ve had my heart broken by it a time or two. This lesson struck exactly the right tone for me: it taught to the pattern but acknowledged the reality, and it presents some very practical points for discussion. Today, it seems that when the possibility of singleness is acknowledged for girls the age of those studying this lesson (&#8220;get an education in case you have to support yourself&#8221;), it isn&#8217;t presented as if it were <em>really</em> a possibility that would ever face anybody who was worth anything. <em>This</em> lesson not only takes the possibility seriously, but treats it with respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/04/15/the-destiny-of-the-unmarried/comment-page-1/#comment-9720</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But Ardis, I love taking parts of your work out of context and deliberately misquoting them to support my favorite causes. I majored in political science, after all.

Besides, if I don&#039;t teach something a little edgy in my Gospel Doctrine class, someone might get the idea I should have more church responsibility. This is really great material. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Ardis, I love taking parts of your work out of context and deliberately misquoting them to support my favorite causes. I majored in political science, after all.</p>
<p>Besides, if I don&#8217;t teach something a little edgy in my Gospel Doctrine class, someone might get the idea I should have more church responsibility. This is really great material. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ESO</title>
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		<dc:creator>ESO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No worries, Ardis--no warping or clubbing in my immediate future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Ardis&#8211;no warping or clubbing in my immediate future.</p>
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