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	<title>Comments on: In Her Own Words: Sarah Granger Kimball, 1884</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle Glauser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Glauser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, I left this post open in another tab to respond to it and ask about his wife like everyone else, but it got solved in the meantime. So interesting, thanks everyone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I left this post open in another tab to respond to it and ask about his wife like everyone else, but it got solved in the meantime. So interesting, thanks everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Proud Daughter of Eve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Proud Daughter of Eve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 01:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, one thing about the &quot;Mr. Bidamon&#039;s Wife&quot; controversy is that it may simply be an old use of the language.  In &quot;Pride and Prejudice,&quot; the elder sister Jane speaks of &quot;my mother&quot; to Elizabeth -- her younger sister and daughter of that same mother.  It seems redundant today but it was apparently part of the more formal structure they had then.  Admittedly, &quot;Pride and Prejudice&quot; was written decades before this letter and in a different country but I think that with change slower then than it is today, it&#039;s still a possibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, one thing about the &#8220;Mr. Bidamon&#8217;s Wife&#8221; controversy is that it may simply be an old use of the language.  In &#8220;Pride and Prejudice,&#8221; the elder sister Jane speaks of &#8220;my mother&#8221; to Elizabeth &#8212; her younger sister and daughter of that same mother.  It seems redundant today but it was apparently part of the more formal structure they had then.  Admittedly, &#8220;Pride and Prejudice&#8221; was written decades before this letter and in a different country but I think that with change slower then than it is today, it&#8217;s still a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Maurine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, there is an autograph book of Sarah Melissa Kimball in the archives. She acquired her book in 1850 and dozens of her friends wrote messages to her. For example, on 21 Jan 1898, Lula Greene Richards wrote:

Dear Sister, My part of the world has been
Better for your having lived therein.
You were blest ‘neath the Prophet Joseph’s hands
And received from his life’s divine commands.
And, speaking with him, your voice it was
Which quickened the thought and dispatched the cause
Wherein all women may aid and bless
The sister’s work to relieve distress.
Then the key was in women’s favor turned—
What lessons have Zion’s daughters learned!
May their children and children’s children tell 
Your name and your works throughout Israel. . .

You might want to look at the autograph book and share some of the other messages with Keepa.

(sorry about the extra blank line in the poem, it doesn&#039;t show it that way when I type it)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, there is an autograph book of Sarah Melissa Kimball in the archives. She acquired her book in 1850 and dozens of her friends wrote messages to her. For example, on 21 Jan 1898, Lula Greene Richards wrote:</p>
<p>Dear Sister, My part of the world has been<br />
Better for your having lived therein.<br />
You were blest ‘neath the Prophet Joseph’s hands<br />
And received from his life’s divine commands.<br />
And, speaking with him, your voice it was<br />
Which quickened the thought and dispatched the cause<br />
Wherein all women may aid and bless<br />
The sister’s work to relieve distress.<br />
Then the key was in women’s favor turned—<br />
What lessons have Zion’s daughters learned!<br />
May their children and children’s children tell<br />
Your name and your works throughout Israel. . .</p>
<p>You might want to look at the autograph book and share some of the other messages with Keepa.</p>
<p>(sorry about the extra blank line in the poem, it doesn&#8217;t show it that way when I type it)</p>
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		<title>By: BruceCrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>BruceCrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know much about the relationship Mr Bidamon had with the saints before they left Nauvoo. It sounds like there was something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know much about the relationship Mr Bidamon had with the saints before they left Nauvoo. It sounds like there was something.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Justin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Justin.</p>
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		<title>By: Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed reading this.  There&#039;s so much chance and happenstance here in relation to the manuscript that it boggles my mind.

And pleased to know that SGK wasn&#039;t referring to Emma in a cold way (a sort of John McCain-like &quot;that one&quot; reference).  Still, there may be something to her tone in that her description of Mr. Bidaman is as simply &quot;a former acquaintance.&quot;  That term seems somewhat loaded?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this.  There&#8217;s so much chance and happenstance here in relation to the manuscript that it boggles my mind.</p>
<p>And pleased to know that SGK wasn&#8217;t referring to Emma in a cold way (a sort of John McCain-like &#8220;that one&#8221; reference).  Still, there may be something to her tone in that her description of Mr. Bidaman is as simply &#8220;a former acquaintance.&#8221;  That term seems somewhat loaded?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Whitmer&#039;s grandson sold the printer&#039;s manuscript to the RLDS Church in the early 1900s for about $2500.  The LDS Church owns about 25% of the original manuscript (28% of the original is extant).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Whitmer&#8217;s grandson sold the printer&#8217;s manuscript to the RLDS Church in the early 1900s for about $2500.  The LDS Church owns about 25% of the original manuscript (28% of the original is extant).</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, the fragment that Sarah obtained is still owned by the Church and preserved in the archives (or more likely, the vaults). 

There were two &quot;original&quot; manuscripts -- one written by the scribes as Joseph dictated, and the fair copy made to take to the printer. I *think* the printer&#039;s original was owned by David Whitmer from early days onward, until he presented it to the LDS church; we still have that. I don&#039;t know whether the Community of Christ or anyone else may have preserved some of the ruined dictated original. Somebody better informed, please speak up with corrections or additions -- I keep warning y&#039;all that history for me starts with 24 July 1847, and that I&#039;m very shaky on the earlier details.

Thanks for clarifying the matter of which of Louis C. Bidaman&#039;s wives would have been the one to bring in the box. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, the fragment that Sarah obtained is still owned by the Church and preserved in the archives (or more likely, the vaults). </p>
<p>There were two &#8220;original&#8221; manuscripts &#8212; one written by the scribes as Joseph dictated, and the fair copy made to take to the printer. I *think* the printer&#8217;s original was owned by David Whitmer from early days onward, until he presented it to the LDS church; we still have that. I don&#8217;t know whether the Community of Christ or anyone else may have preserved some of the ruined dictated original. Somebody better informed, please speak up with corrections or additions &#8212; I keep warning y&#8217;all that history for me starts with 24 July 1847, and that I&#8217;m very shaky on the earlier details.</p>
<p>Thanks for clarifying the matter of which of Louis C. Bidaman&#8217;s wives would have been the one to bring in the box. </p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fascinating post - and a great example of digging out the details in the comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating post &#8211; and a great example of digging out the details in the comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was Nancy Abercrombie, his &lt;a href=&quot;http://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/pdfsrc/19.3AveryNewell.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fourth wife&lt;/a&gt; (pp. 8-10).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Nancy Abercrombie, his <a href="http://byustudies.byu.edu/shop/pdfsrc/19.3AveryNewell.pdf" rel="nofollow">fourth wife</a> (pp. 8-10).</p>
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