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	<title>Comments on: Gospel Doctine Lesson 5: How We Taught This Topic in the Past</title>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No! and it isn&#039;t the blank stares that would follow from half the class that would scare me if I brought it up -- it&#039;s the eager hand-waving by a few class members who have their pet theory to advance that would scare me more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No! and it isn&#8217;t the blank stares that would follow from half the class that would scare me if I brought it up &#8212; it&#8217;s the eager hand-waving by a few class members who have their pet theory to advance that would scare me more.</p>
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		<title>By: The Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info on the cave stories.  And the suggestion to wait for questions on this topic!  On a different note:  Can you imagine the chocolate-colored seer stone stories being included in today&#039;s manuals?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info on the cave stories.  And the suggestion to wait for questions on this topic!  On a different note:  Can you imagine the chocolate-colored seer stone stories being included in today&#8217;s manuals?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s exactly what we needed, Justin; thanks.

I found one of the folk legend-sources I recall, in the writings of the mad but wonderfully named &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?page_id=203&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orestes Utah Bean&lt;/a&gt;, who included this paragraph in his missionary lectures:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mormon told Moroni always to hold the cart-loads of National History and Genealogy in an especially erected vault hid away, then and now in the North End of Hill Cumorah; and into which beautifully decorated vault, about fifteen feet one way and twenty feet the other way, is located a beautifully decorated table about six feet long and three wide; and the side walls are nearly all surrounded with stacks upon stacks of plates, all of the plates written upon since Nephi first made plates for preservation of the history and the genealogy of all their Nephite race from 600 B.C. down to their then, 420 A.D., time of being, turned over to Mormon the Nephite Prophet, via Amaron, more than three hundred years after Messiah had been born at Bethlehem in Judea&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

which, as you can see, embroiders greatly on even the second-hand sources given in Cameron Packer&#039;s paper.

It is not something I would mention in a Sunday School class today unless somebody else asked about it, in which case I&#039;m glad now to be prepared with a decent answer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s exactly what we needed, Justin; thanks.</p>
<p>I found one of the folk legend-sources I recall, in the writings of the mad but wonderfully named <a href="http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?page_id=203" rel="nofollow">Orestes Utah Bean</a>, who included this paragraph in his missionary lectures:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mormon told Moroni always to hold the cart-loads of National History and Genealogy in an especially erected vault hid away, then and now in the North End of Hill Cumorah; and into which beautifully decorated vault, about fifteen feet one way and twenty feet the other way, is located a beautifully decorated table about six feet long and three wide; and the side walls are nearly all surrounded with stacks upon stacks of plates, all of the plates written upon since Nephi first made plates for preservation of the history and the genealogy of all their Nephite race from 600 B.C. down to their then, 420 A.D., time of being, turned over to Mormon the Nephite Prophet, via Amaron, more than three hundred years after Messiah had been born at Bethlehem in Judea</p></blockquote>
<p>which, as you can see, embroiders greatly on even the second-hand sources given in Cameron Packer&#8217;s paper.</p>
<p>It is not something I would mention in a Sunday School class today unless somebody else asked about it, in which case I&#8217;m glad now to be prepared with a decent answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 15:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cameron Packer&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=13&amp;num=1&amp;id=338&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paper&lt;/a&gt; on Cumorah&#039;s cave presents and cites a number of cave accounts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cameron Packer&#8217;s <a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=13&amp;num=1&amp;id=338" rel="nofollow">paper</a> on Cumorah&#8217;s cave presents and cites a number of cave accounts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/01/25/gospel-doctine-lesson-5-how-we-taught-this-topic-in-the-past/comment-page-1/#comment-6389</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not familiar with such a source, Eric, although the description of the underground room with its stacked records and table are familiar from sources I consider folk legend. My history is weakest for the earliest period of church history, though. Maybe some other reader will come to the rescue, and in the meantime I&#039;ll ask friends who may know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not familiar with such a source, Eric, although the description of the underground room with its stacked records and table are familiar from sources I consider folk legend. My history is weakest for the earliest period of church history, though. Maybe some other reader will come to the rescue, and in the meantime I&#8217;ll ask friends who may know.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Boysen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Boysen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had never heard the bit about the unsheathed sword of Laban before. Is there a primary source for this information?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had never heard the bit about the unsheathed sword of Laban before. Is there a primary source for this information?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/01/25/gospel-doctine-lesson-5-how-we-taught-this-topic-in-the-past/comment-page-1/#comment-6383</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like the questions you ask on your blog -- thanks for the link via your signature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the questions you ask on your blog &#8212; thanks for the link via your signature.</p>
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		<title>By: The Teacher</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/01/25/gospel-doctine-lesson-5-how-we-taught-this-topic-in-the-past/comment-page-1/#comment-6382</link>
		<dc:creator>The Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis:  Thanks so much for compiling this information.  It is really interesting to see the different approach to Sunday School instruction. I agree with jose that the older material seems more substantive and meaty than today&#039;s manual.  Hope you do not mind that I have linked to Keepa at my blog, Gospel Doctrine Underground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis:  Thanks so much for compiling this information.  It is really interesting to see the different approach to Sunday School instruction. I agree with jose that the older material seems more substantive and meaty than today&#8217;s manual.  Hope you do not mind that I have linked to Keepa at my blog, Gospel Doctrine Underground.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2009/01/25/gospel-doctine-lesson-5-how-we-taught-this-topic-in-the-past/comment-page-1/#comment-6381</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 00:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To &quot;The Teacher&quot; at GDU: Your comment was caught in my spam filter, and when I tried to free it I hit the delete button by mistake. I couldn&#039;t find contact information at your blog, and your system wouldn&#039;t let me post a comment for some reason.

I hope you&#039;ll see this, and post your comment again. If it goes back to the spam filter I promise not to be so ham-fisted about freeing it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To &#8220;The Teacher&#8221; at GDU: Your comment was caught in my spam filter, and when I tried to free it I hit the delete button by mistake. I couldn&#8217;t find contact information at your blog, and your system wouldn&#8217;t let me post a comment for some reason.</p>
<p>I hope you&#8217;ll see this, and post your comment again. If it goes back to the spam filter I promise not to be so ham-fisted about freeing it.</p>
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		<title>By: jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sounds like Martin Harris was a trickster swapping out the seer stone with a chocolate easter egg.

Interesting to compare these lessons with ours today.  The above lessons seem more concrete compared to the more emotional/application-based lessons of today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sounds like Martin Harris was a trickster swapping out the seer stone with a chocolate easter egg.</p>
<p>Interesting to compare these lessons with ours today.  The above lessons seem more concrete compared to the more emotional/application-based lessons of today.</p>
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