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	<title>Comments on: Antiques Roadshow, George Q. Cannon, Feminism, and (Gasp) Bicycle Riding</title>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 02:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natalie, I hope you understand that the line you quote was typed with a great deal of irony. Enjoy your next bike ride!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natalie, I hope you understand that the line you quote was typed with a great deal of irony. Enjoy your next bike ride!</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 01:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Everyone knows that males have limited control over their sexual needs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ew. Barf. Only because they&#039;ve been given a license to do so because they see sentences like that all over the place. I am glad that MOST LDS men are capable of admitting that sexuality can be controlled. 

Oh, and I choose to love the perspective of GQC. From now on, when I ride my bike, I&#039;ll imagine I&#039;m some sort of sex goddess floating through the breeze. :) Thanks for the inspiration, Brethren!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Everyone knows that males have limited control over their sexual needs. </p></blockquote>
<p>Ew. Barf. Only because they&#8217;ve been given a license to do so because they see sentences like that all over the place. I am glad that MOST LDS men are capable of admitting that sexuality can be controlled. </p>
<p>Oh, and I choose to love the perspective of GQC. From now on, when I ride my bike, I&#8217;ll imagine I&#8217;m some sort of sex goddess floating through the breeze. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanks for the inspiration, Brethren!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that in the past, women were seen as in charge of controling sexuality.  I know when I was a teenager our leaders thought it was the girls that were in charge of how far we went and set the limits.  Everyone knows that males have limited control over their sexual needs.  I believe that is why George Q. Cannon was talking about/to the girls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that in the past, women were seen as in charge of controling sexuality.  I know when I was a teenager our leaders thought it was the girls that were in charge of how far we went and set the limits.  Everyone knows that males have limited control over their sexual needs.  I believe that is why George Q. Cannon was talking about/to the girls.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Duffin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Duffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Makes me glad to not have a bike... :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Makes me glad to not have a bike&#8230; <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Matt W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Home Automation for Housekeeping?

The Swiffer

The Roomba

The extendable Pole for dusting high places

The Wet Vac

The Energy efficient Washer/Dryer/Refrigerator/dish washer

Hot Water on Demand

The Tankless Water Heater

Affordable Riding Lawnmowers

Automatic Sprinklers for watering the lawn

None of these existed when I was a kid, much less pre-WW2...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Home Automation for Housekeeping?</p>
<p>The Swiffer</p>
<p>The Roomba</p>
<p>The extendable Pole for dusting high places</p>
<p>The Wet Vac</p>
<p>The Energy efficient Washer/Dryer/Refrigerator/dish washer</p>
<p>Hot Water on Demand</p>
<p>The Tankless Water Heater</p>
<p>Affordable Riding Lawnmowers</p>
<p>Automatic Sprinklers for watering the lawn</p>
<p>None of these existed when I was a kid, much less pre-WW2&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 15:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In what other field of daily endeavor have humans made almost no progress since WW2?&quot;  

In the way in which most of the actual instruction is delivered, elementary education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In what other field of daily endeavor have humans made almost no progress since WW2?&#8221;  </p>
<p>In the way in which most of the actual instruction is delivered, elementary education.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatiana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatiana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how others see these exhortations in history about the immodesty of things we now consider normal and modest.  To me it puts in proper context the similar exhortations today for girls not to do this or wear that.  I see them as coming from men concerned for our safety, but not so much for our development as human beings.  And I perceive that the sweep of history will leave many of these ideas behind.

Anyone who thinks women are already mostly liberated, and that things in our society don&#039;t have very much farther to go in that regard, I think is mistaken.  When women really come into our own, not just in western democracies but all over the globe, there are going to be tremendous changes that come as well, beyond all our ability to prophesy.  

What would society be like if domestic work were actually counted as work, and well-paid?

What if people realized and believed Christ&#039;s teaching about service to one another, and held the servant of all to be the master of all?  Or held the master of all to be the servant in the sense of foot-washing and latrine-cleaning?  I&#039;m waiting for my CEO to come offer to wash my feet.  

What if the raising and education of children were recognized as nothing short of the future of our civilization, and the competition to participate were equivalent to that for something like a Harvard law degree now?  

What if nurses were the high-paid profession, and doctors came in slightly behind (since they know the subject matter but not the patient&#039;s particular case)?  

What if engineers put as much ingenuity and effort into designing tools for housekeeping as they do now for automobiles?  The shameful state of home automation today appalls me.  In what other field of daily endeavor have humans made almost no progress since WW2?  

What if education were individually adapted to the student?  What if there were dozens of free alternatives for various curricula in all different subjects?  

What if developing the world were the job of women in developed nations?  If we worked with women in impoverished villages to build the things they want for their children, wells and sewerage and waste-water treatment plants so that clean water is always available, schools to educate girls and boys to any level they desire, clinics and hospitals to treat the sick and injured, roads to bring markets close, electricity, phone networks, natural gas, internet, all the things we take for granted here in developed countries, and consider part of a healthy functioning home.

What else could we do if we have the vision, and make the effort?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how others see these exhortations in history about the immodesty of things we now consider normal and modest.  To me it puts in proper context the similar exhortations today for girls not to do this or wear that.  I see them as coming from men concerned for our safety, but not so much for our development as human beings.  And I perceive that the sweep of history will leave many of these ideas behind.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks women are already mostly liberated, and that things in our society don&#8217;t have very much farther to go in that regard, I think is mistaken.  When women really come into our own, not just in western democracies but all over the globe, there are going to be tremendous changes that come as well, beyond all our ability to prophesy.  </p>
<p>What would society be like if domestic work were actually counted as work, and well-paid?</p>
<p>What if people realized and believed Christ&#8217;s teaching about service to one another, and held the servant of all to be the master of all?  Or held the master of all to be the servant in the sense of foot-washing and latrine-cleaning?  I&#8217;m waiting for my CEO to come offer to wash my feet.  </p>
<p>What if the raising and education of children were recognized as nothing short of the future of our civilization, and the competition to participate were equivalent to that for something like a Harvard law degree now?  </p>
<p>What if nurses were the high-paid profession, and doctors came in slightly behind (since they know the subject matter but not the patient&#8217;s particular case)?  </p>
<p>What if engineers put as much ingenuity and effort into designing tools for housekeeping as they do now for automobiles?  The shameful state of home automation today appalls me.  In what other field of daily endeavor have humans made almost no progress since WW2?  </p>
<p>What if education were individually adapted to the student?  What if there were dozens of free alternatives for various curricula in all different subjects?  </p>
<p>What if developing the world were the job of women in developed nations?  If we worked with women in impoverished villages to build the things they want for their children, wells and sewerage and waste-water treatment plants so that clean water is always available, schools to educate girls and boys to any level they desire, clinics and hospitals to treat the sick and injured, roads to bring markets close, electricity, phone networks, natural gas, internet, all the things we take for granted here in developed countries, and consider part of a healthy functioning home.</p>
<p>What else could we do if we have the vision, and make the effort?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heber Grant Ivins (1889-1974) wrote in his diary/memoir that when basketball arrived in the Mexican colonies, it came as a game for girls, not guys. The girls loved it. After a few days of watching them, though, the men decided that it wasn&#039;t appropriate for girls to wear short skirts and bloomers and jump around that way, and wouldn&#039;t let the girls play anymore. The boys promptly took up the sport.

Thanks for your comments, all. I&#039;m not sure whether to laugh or cry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heber Grant Ivins (1889-1974) wrote in his diary/memoir that when basketball arrived in the Mexican colonies, it came as a game for girls, not guys. The girls loved it. After a few days of watching them, though, the men decided that it wasn&#8217;t appropriate for girls to wear short skirts and bloomers and jump around that way, and wouldn&#8217;t let the girls play anymore. The boys promptly took up the sport.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments, all. I&#8217;m not sure whether to laugh or cry.</p>
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		<title>By: iguacufalls</title>
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		<dc:creator>iguacufalls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As to late hours and going to parties at untimely hours, there can be no question in any thinking person’s mind as to the effects which follow such practices; they are evil, it may be truthfully said, in every instance.&lt;/em&gt;

And where does the church suggest, nay recommend, my teenage daughters go every other Saturday night?  To a dance!  With Boys!  At untimely hours!  and what follows these terrible practices? Usually a carpool ride home in a dark car with some of those same boys....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As to late hours and going to parties at untimely hours, there can be no question in any thinking person’s mind as to the effects which follow such practices; they are evil, it may be truthfully said, in every instance.</em></p>
<p>And where does the church suggest, nay recommend, my teenage daughters go every other Saturday night?  To a dance!  With Boys!  At untimely hours!  and what follows these terrible practices? Usually a carpool ride home in a dark car with some of those same boys&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffinberry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coffinberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;many girls had been ruined &quot;

Oh, that brings back a memory of a story somewhere (family home evening manual? class lesson? the ubiquitous Especially for Mormons?) of how a girl had gone off to the city for a job and got pregnant (ahem, I mean, in trouble), and came back home. She stood up in testimony meeting and asked the ward&#039;s forgiveness. Then one by one the priesthood brethren stood up to ask her forgiveness for not having stopped her or looked in on her or some such... 

It always seemed like a creepy story to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;many girls had been ruined &#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, that brings back a memory of a story somewhere (family home evening manual? class lesson? the ubiquitous Especially for Mormons?) of how a girl had gone off to the city for a job and got pregnant (ahem, I mean, in trouble), and came back home. She stood up in testimony meeting and asked the ward&#8217;s forgiveness. Then one by one the priesthood brethren stood up to ask her forgiveness for not having stopped her or looked in on her or some such&#8230; </p>
<p>It always seemed like a creepy story to me.</p>
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