Comments on: “The Qmlbwpnygax Eujugec Have Not the Power to Ktgjie the Wzznlhmpygtg”: Codes and Ciphers in Mormon History (part 1) http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/ Where our past is never very long ago Sun, 19 May 2013 15:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: Christopher Smith http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-16138 Christopher Smith Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:30:19 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-16138 Wight claimed to be Baneemy, but he appears to have been fibbing. The publication of the manuscript revelation books in the Joseph Smith Papers confirms the Phelps interpretation “mine elders”.

Ardis,

I’m writing a paper on the D&C codenames, but I don’t live in SLC so I don’t have access to the archives. Is there any chance you’d be willing to email me the text of that Phelps letter? I’d of course credit you in a footnote as the transcriber. my email address is

chris carroll smith at g mail dot com

Without all those spaces, of course. Thanks!

-Chris

]]> By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12512 Ardis E. Parshall Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:29:08 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-12512 Um, okay. Thanks, I think. Yeah, thanks …

]]> By: Derek P. Moore http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12508 Derek P. Moore Sat, 18 Jul 2009 15:52:25 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-12508 PS: It was Lyman Wight who was codenamed Baneemy. I cited the Book of Commandments reference to Lyman to illustrate the connection between him and the translation of his codename (as I have with Mahan, its translation, and JST Genesis).

]]> By: Derek P. Moore http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12505 Derek P. Moore Sat, 18 Jul 2009 14:52:53 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-12505 Someone asked about baneemy:

“Baneemy” appears to be an Old English (beneme) and Irish Gaelic (bainimdh) word meaning “to deprive of”, “to take away from”, “to remove”, or “to cut or strip off”.

In the first reference to Lyman Wight in the Book of Commandments it reads (54:5-6,12):

“5 And inasmuch as they are not faithful, they shall be cut off, even as I will, as seemeth me good. 6 And again, verily I say unto you, let my servant Lyman (W.,) and my servant John (C.,) take their journey speedily: 12 And let my servant Lyman beware, for satan desireth to sift him as chaff.”

Chaucer wrote, “Ire . . . benimeth the man fro God.”

Joseph Smith, Jr., had a habit of using Gaelic terms in his revelations, which is telling has he is descended from the bardic cast and ecclesiastical princes of Ireland, the ancient M’Gowan family (to which I am related through Magog’s Phœnician/Gadelian/Milesian House of Ir, Clanna-Rory, Clan King, and our common patriarch Conal Cearnach).

For example, Master Mahan: Mahan is a Gaelic term meaning “wild beast of the field”. Mahan comes from Mathghabhuin — “magh”: Irish, a plain; “gabhuin”: a calf — “‘the bear of the plain’ or ‘a wild calf’; for a bear is strictly a kind of wild calf”.

As for a Scriptural connection between Mahan and its Irish translation to “the wild beast of the field”, we need go no further than Genesis in Joseph Smith’s Translation (chapter V):

16 And Cain said, Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain. Wherefore Cain was called Master Mahan; and he gloried in his wickedness.

17 And Cain went into the field, and Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, that while they were in the field, Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

]]> By: 2008 Niblets: Rock the Vote Here! at Mormon Matters http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12106 2008 Niblets: Rock the Vote Here! at Mormon Matters Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:03:30 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-12106 [...] Ardis Parshall’s 3 part “Codes and Cyphers in Mormon History” [...]

]]> By: Last Chance for Niblet Nominations at Mormon Matters http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-12057 Last Chance for Niblet Nominations at Mormon Matters Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:33:51 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-12057 [...] Parshall’s 3 part “Codes and Cyphers in Mormon History” (also nominated “The Childless Ones,” “A Utah War Primer,” “Polynesians in the [...]

]]> By: Ardis E. Parshall http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5160 Ardis E. Parshall Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:13:22 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-5160 I am shocked, SHOCKED, I tell you, by such language here! /heh, heh, heh/

]]> By: LaJean Carruth http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5158 LaJean Carruth Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:46:19 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-5158 The shorthand in the McLellin journal is written in Taylor shorthand, which shorthand I identified as a graduate student working in the BYU Library Manuscripts Dept. in 1974. Taylor predates Pitman by 50 years, and, at first glance, looks very similar to it: the word “was” in Taylor shorthand is the same as the word “smoke” in Pitman. Wilford Woodruff, Thomas Bullock, William Clayton and Willard Richards all wrote Taylor shorthand; the first two later learned Pitman.
The shorthand in the McLellin journal reads: “but his wife was a great slut, very nasty”. I learned of the shorthand from Jan Shipps.

]]> By: Hunter http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4812 Hunter Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:02:00 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-4812 Wow, Ardis. Are you auditioning for a spot on the PBS series, History Detectives? This is good stuff.

]]> By: BruceC http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/12/09/%e2%80%9cthe-qmlbwpnygax-eujugec-have-not-the-power-to-ktgjie-the-wzznlhmpygtg%e2%80%9d-codes-and-ciphers-in-mormon-history-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4809 BruceC Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:55:11 +0000 http://www.keepapitchinin.org/?p=481#comment-4809 This is very interesting.

I was aware of the use of fake names in the D&C and the general sense of (justified) paranoia. I was not aware of the use of ciphers elsewhere.

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