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		<title>By: Jared T.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/30/priesthood-line-of-authority/comment-page-2/#comment-19436</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hermano Jesus,

Gracias por su pregunta. Favor de referirse al comentario #49. Debe de mandar un correo electronico como dice el comentario. Si tiene cualquier otra pregunta, anotela aqui. Gracias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hermano Jesus,</p>
<p>Gracias por su pregunta. Favor de referirse al comentario #49. Debe de mandar un correo electronico como dice el comentario. Si tiene cualquier otra pregunta, anotela aqui. Gracias.</p>
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		<title>By: JESUS ARTURO ROSAS HERRERA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JESUS ARTURO ROSAS HERRERA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[buenas noches

Soy miembro de la iglesia desde el 17 de junio de 1984 fui ordenado elder por el Presidente de Misiòn John B. Keeler el 25 de noviembre de 1984 en el Distrito de Nuevo Laredo tamaulipas ( Hoy Estaca Nuevo Laredo )y quisiera contar con mi lìnea de autoridad.
Desde entonces he servido en la iglesia. El 29 de mayo de 1988 fui ordenado Sumo Sacerdote por Juan Salais Caballero en la Estaca Piedras Negras Mèxico en Piedras Negras, Coahuila. El 8 de octubre de 1989 fui presentado y el 10 de octubre apartado como primer consejero al presidente de estaca en Piedras Negras y el 22 de noviembre de 1992 fui llamado como Presidente de estaca sirviendo por un perìodo de 9 años.
Deseo saber si existe la linea  de autoridad de John B. Keeler para contar con la mìa y si es la de èl la que debo de obtener o la de la ordenaciòn de sumo sacerdote. despuès de mi relevo como presidente de estaca fui llamado como obispo de mi barrio piedras negras 4]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>buenas noches</p>
<p>Soy miembro de la iglesia desde el 17 de junio de 1984 fui ordenado elder por el Presidente de Misiòn John B. Keeler el 25 de noviembre de 1984 en el Distrito de Nuevo Laredo tamaulipas ( Hoy Estaca Nuevo Laredo )y quisiera contar con mi lìnea de autoridad.<br />
Desde entonces he servido en la iglesia. El 29 de mayo de 1988 fui ordenado Sumo Sacerdote por Juan Salais Caballero en la Estaca Piedras Negras Mèxico en Piedras Negras, Coahuila. El 8 de octubre de 1989 fui presentado y el 10 de octubre apartado como primer consejero al presidente de estaca en Piedras Negras y el 22 de noviembre de 1992 fui llamado como Presidente de estaca sirviendo por un perìodo de 9 años.<br />
Deseo saber si existe la linea  de autoridad de John B. Keeler para contar con la mìa y si es la de èl la que debo de obtener o la de la ordenaciòn de sumo sacerdote. despuès de mi relevo como presidente de estaca fui llamado como obispo de mi barrio piedras negras 4</p>
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		<title>By: Jared T.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/30/priesthood-line-of-authority/comment-page-2/#comment-13748</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hermano Abel, 

Gracias por su pregunta. Favor de referirse al comentario #49. Debe de mandar un correo electronico como dice el comentario. Si tiene cualquier otra pregunta, anotela aqui. Gracias.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hermano Abel, </p>
<p>Gracias por su pregunta. Favor de referirse al comentario #49. Debe de mandar un correo electronico como dice el comentario. Si tiene cualquier otra pregunta, anotela aqui. Gracias.</p>
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		<title>By: abel mera mendoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>abel mera mendoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[la presente es para solicitar mi linea de autoridad ya que en este momento la que yo tengo parece no ser beridica y deseo que si es posible se me confirmara nuevamente ,
fui ordenado 29 jun de 1976 en la estaca camarones ciudad de mex. y pertenesia al barrio madero agradecere su atencin a esta solicitud atentamente abel mera m.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>la presente es para solicitar mi linea de autoridad ya que en este momento la que yo tengo parece no ser beridica y deseo que si es posible se me confirmara nuevamente ,<br />
fui ordenado 29 jun de 1976 en la estaca camarones ciudad de mex. y pertenesia al barrio madero agradecere su atencin a esta solicitud atentamente abel mera m.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/30/priesthood-line-of-authority/comment-page-2/#comment-12429</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Clark, that&#039;s the first time I ever heard that reason given for asking for a particular man to do an ordination, but why not? It&#039;s really cool that he had the line memorized.

Left Field, I&#039;ve got a couple of advertisements for long-carriage typers that I can put up as a post. I don&#039;t recall whether I&#039;ve ever seen one in real life, either, but I remember a certain tone of envy in the voice when someone once referred to Sister So-and-So who did have one. Those long two-post binders made great coffee table books but lousy on-the-shelf books. I suppose as long as we were using them, it did make sense to print certificates and other docs to fit them, but converting to the standard three-ring binder must have been painful for those who had invested so much time in arranging and decorating their books of remembrance in the long format. Maybe that&#039;s one reason why they went away -- the enthusiasm couldn&#039;t survive the transition.

And I realize now that I didn&#039;t acknowledge Terrie, who jump started this old discussion. If you&#039;ve read this far, Terrie, thanks for your comment. Like you, I&#039;ve faced having to redesign my business somewhat recently, when technology and decisions at the church library have opened options other than MY services to obtain the records people need. I&#039;m starting to feel like a whale oil salesman in the early days of electricity, or like a buggy-whip manufacturer in the early days of the automobile.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clark, that&#8217;s the first time I ever heard that reason given for asking for a particular man to do an ordination, but why not? It&#8217;s really cool that he had the line memorized.</p>
<p>Left Field, I&#8217;ve got a couple of advertisements for long-carriage typers that I can put up as a post. I don&#8217;t recall whether I&#8217;ve ever seen one in real life, either, but I remember a certain tone of envy in the voice when someone once referred to Sister So-and-So who did have one. Those long two-post binders made great coffee table books but lousy on-the-shelf books. I suppose as long as we were using them, it did make sense to print certificates and other docs to fit them, but converting to the standard three-ring binder must have been painful for those who had invested so much time in arranging and decorating their books of remembrance in the long format. Maybe that&#8217;s one reason why they went away &#8212; the enthusiasm couldn&#8217;t survive the transition.</p>
<p>And I realize now that I didn&#8217;t acknowledge Terrie, who jump started this old discussion. If you&#8217;ve read this far, Terrie, thanks for your comment. Like you, I&#8217;ve faced having to redesign my business somewhat recently, when technology and decisions at the church library have opened options other than MY services to obtain the records people need. I&#8217;m starting to feel like a whale oil salesman in the early days of electricity, or like a buggy-whip manufacturer in the early days of the automobile.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow, that&#039;s interesting.  I guess I&#039;d never noticed.  I checked lds.org and found about an average of only one reference per year to a book of remembrance over the last twenty years, though it was mentioned as recently as February in the New Era.  

The pages I used for mine back in the 70s were of course also privately published, but I&#039;m pretty sure the church produced the two-post binders and some other materials to go in them, in addition to the standard genealogy forms.  

My deacon&#039;s ordination certificate from 1971 was book-of-remembrance size with holes pre-punched to form a page in the book.  By the time I became a teacher, the certificate had shrunk to normal letter size.  That long certificate was really a bad idea.  Mine is still in the book of remembrance binder, but if anyone wants to use a different format, it&#039;s going to be impossible to include their original certificates without folding.  My patriarchal blessing (late 70s) was also on a legal sized form, but it was a vertical format and didn&#039;t have holes punched.

The long genealogy forms were also a problem because they had to be folded to type on them and no matter where it was folded, it seemed that some entries went across the fold.  Rumor had it that one could get a typewriter with an extra long carriage to hold legal sized forms sideways, but I never saw one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s interesting.  I guess I&#8217;d never noticed.  I checked lds.org and found about an average of only one reference per year to a book of remembrance over the last twenty years, though it was mentioned as recently as February in the New Era.  </p>
<p>The pages I used for mine back in the 70s were of course also privately published, but I&#8217;m pretty sure the church produced the two-post binders and some other materials to go in them, in addition to the standard genealogy forms.  </p>
<p>My deacon&#8217;s ordination certificate from 1971 was book-of-remembrance size with holes pre-punched to form a page in the book.  By the time I became a teacher, the certificate had shrunk to normal letter size.  That long certificate was really a bad idea.  Mine is still in the book of remembrance binder, but if anyone wants to use a different format, it&#8217;s going to be impossible to include their original certificates without folding.  My patriarchal blessing (late 70s) was also on a legal sized form, but it was a vertical format and didn&#8217;t have holes punched.</p>
<p>The long genealogy forms were also a problem because they had to be folded to type on them and no matter where it was folded, it seemed that some entries went across the fold.  Rumor had it that one could get a typewriter with an extra long carriage to hold legal sized forms sideways, but I never saw one.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I left on my mission, I had my Patriarchal Blessing reduced (to 5 1/2 x 8 1/2)and laminated  with my Line of Authority on the back. Durable and easy to keep track of. It still fits in my scriptures. The steps are:
[me]
[dad]
[stake president]
D.G.Olson
Matthew Cowley
G.A. Smith
(See #10)

Dad had been ordained an Elder by his father, who had passed on by the time Dad was to be ordained a high priest. Dad had memorized his PLA, complete with dates, so he specifically asked that the ordination be performed by Bro. Olsen (who had ordained HIS dad) so his PLA wouldn&#039;t change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I left on my mission, I had my Patriarchal Blessing reduced (to 5 1/2 x 8 1/2)and laminated  with my Line of Authority on the back. Durable and easy to keep track of. It still fits in my scriptures. The steps are:<br />
[me]<br />
[dad]<br />
[stake president]<br />
D.G.Olson<br />
Matthew Cowley<br />
G.A. Smith<br />
(See #10)</p>
<p>Dad had been ordained an Elder by his father, who had passed on by the time Dad was to be ordained a high priest. Dad had memorized his PLA, complete with dates, so he specifically asked that the ordination be performed by Bro. Olsen (who had ordained HIS dad) so his PLA wouldn&#8217;t change.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/30/priesthood-line-of-authority/comment-page-2/#comment-12426</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No book of remembrance, at least not as an official church program beyond the &quot;keep your personal history&quot; mantra. You can still get packs of printed forms from private companies, printed on letter-size paper to fit in notebooks along with the current standard pedigree charts/family group sheets, but there&#039;s no auxiliary promoting the keeping of a formal book of remembrance anymore. I&#039;ll bet most readers under 40 are generally unfamiliar with the concept.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No book of remembrance, at least not as an official church program beyond the &#8220;keep your personal history&#8221; mantra. You can still get packs of printed forms from private companies, printed on letter-size paper to fit in notebooks along with the current standard pedigree charts/family group sheets, but there&#8217;s no auxiliary promoting the keeping of a formal book of remembrance anymore. I&#8217;ll bet most readers under 40 are generally unfamiliar with the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Left Field</title>
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		<dc:creator>Left Field</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 15:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I suppose the idea was that every priesthood holder would have his line of authority printed on a card and pass it out every time he ordained or set someone apart.  I know I got one from my patriarch, but I&#039;ve certainly never gotten one from anyone who set me apart for a calling.  My grandfather had one made with photographs, and my mother had the original photographic negative from which the cards were made.  That&#039;s how I got the photographs I needed to depict my blessing line of authority.

I think my father got his line from Salt Lake for when he was an elder and ordained me a deacon and teacher.  By the time I was a priest and elder, my father was a high priest, and I think he got a card from the guy who ordained him.  I was ordained a high priest about 8 years ago by my stake president.  He said he would give me his line of authority, but he never did before I moved away.  I guess I should email him and see if he can send it to me.

The don&#039;t do Books of Remembrance anymore?  I must be a few decades out of touch.  I just thought they would be in a different format since they did away with the long genealogy forms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose the idea was that every priesthood holder would have his line of authority printed on a card and pass it out every time he ordained or set someone apart.  I know I got one from my patriarch, but I&#8217;ve certainly never gotten one from anyone who set me apart for a calling.  My grandfather had one made with photographs, and my mother had the original photographic negative from which the cards were made.  That&#8217;s how I got the photographs I needed to depict my blessing line of authority.</p>
<p>I think my father got his line from Salt Lake for when he was an elder and ordained me a deacon and teacher.  By the time I was a priest and elder, my father was a high priest, and I think he got a card from the guy who ordained him.  I was ordained a high priest about 8 years ago by my stake president.  He said he would give me his line of authority, but he never did before I moved away.  I guess I should email him and see if he can send it to me.</p>
<p>The don&#8217;t do Books of Remembrance anymore?  I must be a few decades out of touch.  I just thought they would be in a different format since they did away with the long genealogy forms.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 14:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You may be right, Left Field -- I recall the photo charts for line of authority, but don&#039;t remember directly all the possible ways that information may have been displayed. I don&#039;t suppose there would be anything &lt;em&gt;wrong&lt;/em&gt; with someone wanting to put that together today, except that it demands a lot of nonessential work from church employees and is a novelty rather than serving the purpose that the single effective line of authority has. 

The Book of Remembrance went out just before I was old enough to start compiling one. I kinda wish I had done it anyway!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be right, Left Field &#8212; I recall the photo charts for line of authority, but don&#8217;t remember directly all the possible ways that information may have been displayed. I don&#8217;t suppose there would be anything <em>wrong</em> with someone wanting to put that together today, except that it demands a lot of nonessential work from church employees and is a novelty rather than serving the purpose that the single effective line of authority has. </p>
<p>The Book of Remembrance went out just before I was old enough to start compiling one. I kinda wish I had done it anyway!</p>
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