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	<title>Comments on: From our exchanges: “The Awful March of the Saints,” American Heritage, Fall 2008</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This sounds like a good example of seeing what we believe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like a good example of seeing what we believe.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 21:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can see why the writer may have ignored motivations, because many other pioneers of the west experienced similar things without the special motivations that guided the Mormons.  This makes it odd, though, that the writer would single out Brigham Young as the architect of a special tragedy.  Your paragraphs relaying Patience&#039;s hardships recalled to mind the books I read as a child about the Donner Party and the Oregon trail and the discovery of Death Valley.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can see why the writer may have ignored motivations, because many other pioneers of the west experienced similar things without the special motivations that guided the Mormons.  This makes it odd, though, that the writer would single out Brigham Young as the architect of a special tragedy.  Your paragraphs relaying Patience&#8217;s hardships recalled to mind the books I read as a child about the Donner Party and the Oregon trail and the discovery of Death Valley.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But, Julie, even the army needs camp followers.  And I suspect that every woman in the handcart companies came with either a husband or a father.

(Note:  during the 19th century, the U.S. army would often be accompanied by camp followers, their numbers increasing as the size of the army grew.  They (both men and women) supplied the soldiers with goods and services not otherwise available; they worked as cooks and washerwomen and nurses (the army nurses corps wasn&#039;t established until the 20th century);  some were wives of soldiers who followed their husbands after their enlistment (think of the women who accompanied the Mormon Battalion); and some were women who came to be called by the name of Gen. Joseph T. Hooker--apparently their numbers swelled during the time that he led (and almost lost--think Chancellorsville) the Army of the Potomac.  Since &quot;camp follower&quot; might be thought by some to mean chiefly this last group, I don&#039;t want anyone to think that I mean that, or that I mean to malign any group of pioneer women.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, Julie, even the army needs camp followers.  And I suspect that every woman in the handcart companies came with either a husband or a father.</p>
<p>(Note:  during the 19th century, the U.S. army would often be accompanied by camp followers, their numbers increasing as the size of the army grew.  They (both men and women) supplied the soldiers with goods and services not otherwise available; they worked as cooks and washerwomen and nurses (the army nurses corps wasn&#8217;t established until the 20th century);  some were wives of soldiers who followed their husbands after their enlistment (think of the women who accompanied the Mormon Battalion); and some were women who came to be called by the name of Gen. Joseph T. Hooker&#8211;apparently their numbers swelled during the time that he led (and almost lost&#8211;think Chancellorsville) the Army of the Potomac.  Since &#8220;camp follower&#8221; might be thought by some to mean chiefly this last group, I don&#8217;t want anyone to think that I mean that, or that I mean to malign any group of pioneer women.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J., I think it is only just barely released -- I had preordered it weeks ago, but Amazon sent the note about shipment only last Friday. Roberts is just getting started on his book tour, too (he&#039;ll be in Salt Lake on October 2). In other words, I don&#039;t think there has been time yet for anybody to read and review.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J., I think it is only just barely released &#8212; I had preordered it weeks ago, but Amazon sent the note about shipment only last Friday. Roberts is just getting started on his book tour, too (he&#8217;ll be in Salt Lake on October 2). In other words, I don&#8217;t think there has been time yet for anybody to read and review.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:16:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the note Ardis.  I was surprised that I hadn&#039;t heard anything about his book around, even though it is released.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the note Ardis.  I was surprised that I hadn&#8217;t heard anything about his book around, even though it is released.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
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		<dc:creator>john f.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting that he blames BY and not Franklin D. Richards, like many others seeking someone to blame for the tragedy suffered as a result of the severe winter weather.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that he blames BY and not Franklin D. Richards, like many others seeking someone to blame for the tragedy suffered as a result of the severe winter weather.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for commenting on this, Ardis. I have been wondering how this book would turn out, so I hope you do a thorough book review. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting on this, Ardis. I have been wondering how this book would turn out, so I hope you do a thorough book review. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Julie M. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie M. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, because we all know that penniless, half-starved, ill immigrant women are just what you need more of when the US army is on its way . . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, because we all know that penniless, half-starved, ill immigrant women are just what you need more of when the US army is on its way . . .</p>
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