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	<title>Comments on: Massacre Panel: Not-so-live blogged</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2965</link>
		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My reading of Fixico was that he had read the background material, but that the actual events of the MMM registered so low on his radar of things to be upset about that it was almost redundant. 

(Defining redundant as &quot;able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function&quot; NOT &quot;no longer needed or useful.&quot;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reading of Fixico was that he had read the background material, but that the actual events of the MMM registered so low on his radar of things to be upset about that it was almost redundant. </p>
<p>(Defining redundant as &#8220;able to be omitted without loss of meaning or function&#8221; NOT &#8220;no longer needed or useful.&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: kevinf</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2964</link>
		<dc:creator>kevinf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 22:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Ardis, for those of us who can&#039;t be there in person.  A great service.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ardis, for those of us who can&#8217;t be there in person.  A great service.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2962</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DId anyone else find Donald Fixico&#039;s presentation underwhelming?  It seemed to me that he really didn&#039;t address what the program planners wanted him to get at.  It almost seemed as if he hadn&#039;t read the book and so was keep his comments vague.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DId anyone else find Donald Fixico&#8217;s presentation underwhelming?  It seemed to me that he really didn&#8217;t address what the program planners wanted him to get at.  It almost seemed as if he hadn&#8217;t read the book and so was keep his comments vague.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2960</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Ardis. You allowed me to listen in from far off Oklahoma. I&#039;ll be joining Rick Turley in some presentations in Arkansas this month, and I&#039;m happy to have received the insights of Drs. Faragher, Barlow, and Fixico to contemplate, and Rick&#039;s good responses to appreciate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Ardis. You allowed me to listen in from far off Oklahoma. I&#8217;ll be joining Rick Turley in some presentations in Arkansas this month, and I&#8217;m happy to have received the insights of Drs. Faragher, Barlow, and Fixico to contemplate, and Rick&#8217;s good responses to appreciate.</p>
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		<title>By: tona</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2956</link>
		<dc:creator>tona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 12:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, this is terrific. Thanks for bringing it to those of us who couldn&#039;t be there. Lots to think on. I&#039;m so glad Faragher and Fixico were there. Barlow is my hero. You&#039;ve done a great service to all of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, this is terrific. Thanks for bringing it to those of us who couldn&#8217;t be there. Lots to think on. I&#8217;m so glad Faragher and Fixico were there. Barlow is my hero. You&#8217;ve done a great service to all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared T.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jared T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[*cough*, I mean, &quot;D&#039;oh!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*cough*, I mean, &#8220;D&#8217;oh!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Reeve</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2954</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 02:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Also, Farragher recommended Deloria’s Playing Indian (http://books.google.com/books?id=dQFBTKi4aYsC). Anyone read that or have comments on it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;ve read it.  I&#039;ve assigned it to my grad class on the American West this semester.  Deloria traces the history of whites &quot;playing Indian&quot; from the Boston Tea Party up through the hippies of the 70s living in tepees.  It is a bit theoretical in parts, but nonetheless insightful on the various contradictory ways in which whites have appropriated Indianness for their own contradictory purposes.  For example, the tea party crowd, Deloria argues, was asserting a new American identity for itself, distinguishing itself from its British brothers in going native, at the same time that it also denigrated real Indian peoples as savages.  Deloria works through a similar analysis for each of the chronological periods he examines.

p.s. any grad student in my Am West class who attempts to use this post as cliff notes will be forced to walk the plank.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Also, Farragher recommended Deloria’s Playing Indian (<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=dQFBTKi4aYsC" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=dQFBTKi4aYsC</a>). Anyone read that or have comments on it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;ve read it.  I&#8217;ve assigned it to my grad class on the American West this semester.  Deloria traces the history of whites &#8220;playing Indian&#8221; from the Boston Tea Party up through the hippies of the 70s living in tepees.  It is a bit theoretical in parts, but nonetheless insightful on the various contradictory ways in which whites have appropriated Indianness for their own contradictory purposes.  For example, the tea party crowd, Deloria argues, was asserting a new American identity for itself, distinguishing itself from its British brothers in going native, at the same time that it also denigrated real Indian peoples as savages.  Deloria works through a similar analysis for each of the chronological periods he examines.</p>
<p>p.s. any grad student in my Am West class who attempts to use this post as cliff notes will be forced to walk the plank.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Barney</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2952</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Barney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks, Ardis, for this great service to the rest of us.

I too am a big fan of Rick&#039;s.  He is terrific.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, Ardis, for this great service to the rest of us.</p>
<p>I too am a big fan of Rick&#8217;s.  He is terrific.</p>
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		<title>By: smb</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2951</link>
		<dc:creator>smb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[20/1: Amen.  I&#039;d never encountered Turley before, and I was thoroughly impressed.  Phil proposed that this could be a model for our catharsis, and I feel like Turley negotiated this area superbly.  Some of our ancestors scapegoated fellow Saints for a crime they committed, and they did it out of racist motives.  (a much less severe version of this comes into play with undocumented long-term visitors to the US who are LDS in areas of LDS prominence).

Glen Leonard was there--I hadn&#039;t seen him since his mission, so I made him a bit late for the book signing.  Glen is really a gem as well.

PS, for my own research I often wonder how to describe groups of people of various native tribes, so I bothered Dr. Fixico afterwards to ask him. He says that as a Shawnee/Creek and a scholar, he recommends that you specifically identify a tribal affiliation if possible. If not, he suggested, in order of preference, &quot;native peoples,&quot; &quot;indigenous peoples,&quot; and &quot;Indian peoples,&quot; emphasizing the plurality of ethnic identities that Whites have attempted to subsume/extirpate in the single term &quot;Indian.&quot;  i&#039;m well aware of the dynamic nature of &quot;preferred&quot; designations for native peoples, but for me at least this was finally useful information for someone who participates in both scholarly and native cultures.  I&#039;m going to revise my chapter on Mormonism and native peoples to reflect this terminology.

Also, Farragher recommended Deloria&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Playing Indian&lt;/em&gt; (http://books.google.com/books?id=dQFBTKi4aYsC).  Anyone read that or have comments on it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>20/1: Amen.  I&#8217;d never encountered Turley before, and I was thoroughly impressed.  Phil proposed that this could be a model for our catharsis, and I feel like Turley negotiated this area superbly.  Some of our ancestors scapegoated fellow Saints for a crime they committed, and they did it out of racist motives.  (a much less severe version of this comes into play with undocumented long-term visitors to the US who are LDS in areas of LDS prominence).</p>
<p>Glen Leonard was there&#8211;I hadn&#8217;t seen him since his mission, so I made him a bit late for the book signing.  Glen is really a gem as well.</p>
<p>PS, for my own research I often wonder how to describe groups of people of various native tribes, so I bothered Dr. Fixico afterwards to ask him. He says that as a Shawnee/Creek and a scholar, he recommends that you specifically identify a tribal affiliation if possible. If not, he suggested, in order of preference, &#8220;native peoples,&#8221; &#8220;indigenous peoples,&#8221; and &#8220;Indian peoples,&#8221; emphasizing the plurality of ethnic identities that Whites have attempted to subsume/extirpate in the single term &#8220;Indian.&#8221;  i&#8217;m well aware of the dynamic nature of &#8220;preferred&#8221; designations for native peoples, but for me at least this was finally useful information for someone who participates in both scholarly and native cultures.  I&#8217;m going to revise my chapter on Mormonism and native peoples to reflect this terminology.</p>
<p>Also, Farragher recommended Deloria&#8217;s <em>Playing Indian</em> (<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=dQFBTKi4aYsC" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=dQFBTKi4aYsC</a>).  Anyone read that or have comments on it?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/09/05/massacre-panel-not-so-live-blogged/comment-page-1/#comment-2949</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The poignant reflection native peoples that were also our people is devastating.&lt;/em&gt;

&quot;Devastating&quot; is the right word. Despite my self-image as a broad-minded 21st century Latter-day Saint, and despite my research into the 1855 Indian missions (which I argue had a unique, particularly religious meaning, reaching out from one branch of Israel to our literal brothers in another branch), somehow I had never connected the dots that Rick connected last night. I will never forget it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The poignant reflection native peoples that were also our people is devastating.</em></p>
<p>&#8220;Devastating&#8221; is the right word. Despite my self-image as a broad-minded 21st century Latter-day Saint, and despite my research into the 1855 Indian missions (which I argue had a unique, particularly religious meaning, reaching out from one branch of Israel to our literal brothers in another branch), somehow I had never connected the dots that Rick connected last night. I will never forget it.</p>
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