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	<title>Comments on: To Members Far from Temples, 1916</title>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2763</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;ll teach ya to miss a day of Keepa excitement, Ray. Best wishes for a speedy recovery from devastation!

Coffinberry, congratulations on solving your genealogical mystery. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if your great-aunt had something to do with it, and that isn&#039;t just a Sunday School response. You give us a hint of the commitment of thousands of Latter-day Saints doing genealogical research and temple ordinances under conditions that -- given the aid of computers and the ease of temple attendance available to many of us now -- demand our respect. Thanks for commenting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;ll teach ya to miss a day of Keepa excitement, Ray. Best wishes for a speedy recovery from devastation!</p>
<p>Coffinberry, congratulations on solving your genealogical mystery. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if your great-aunt had something to do with it, and that isn&#8217;t just a Sunday School response. You give us a hint of the commitment of thousands of Latter-day Saints doing genealogical research and temple ordinances under conditions that &#8212; given the aid of computers and the ease of temple attendance available to many of us now &#8212; demand our respect. Thanks for commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2761</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am gone for a day and come back just in time to miss the comment window on the threadjack.  I&#039;m devastated.  

Great post, again, Ardis.  This was very interesting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am gone for a day and come back just in time to miss the comment window on the threadjack.  I&#8217;m devastated.  </p>
<p>Great post, again, Ardis.  This was very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Coffinberry</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2760</link>
		<dc:creator>Coffinberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis,

My brother inherited our great-aunt&#039;s &quot;blue suitcase&quot;, in which she kept all her genealogy and temple records. Baptized in 1961, she was an ardent genealogist, but limited by money, health, and distance in her ability to do temple work personally. But I know that she diligently sent every scrap of information to the temple so that the work could be done for her ancestors. (I inherited a puzzle--the identity of her great-grandfather--she had worked on all those, and was at last able to solve it in 2001).

Your article also sheds light on what my own grandmother (a convert in Arizona the mid 1940&#039;s) had to do in order to do her family work. I hadn&#039;t realized that taking a name to the temple was an all-day thing. She did dozens, despite having small children and fighting tuberculosis.

Thanks for this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis,</p>
<p>My brother inherited our great-aunt&#8217;s &#8220;blue suitcase&#8221;, in which she kept all her genealogy and temple records. Baptized in 1961, she was an ardent genealogist, but limited by money, health, and distance in her ability to do temple work personally. But I know that she diligently sent every scrap of information to the temple so that the work could be done for her ancestors. (I inherited a puzzle&#8211;the identity of her great-grandfather&#8211;she had worked on all those, and was at last able to solve it in 2001).</p>
<p>Your article also sheds light on what my own grandmother (a convert in Arizona the mid 1940&#8242;s) had to do in order to do her family work. I hadn&#8217;t realized that taking a name to the temple was an all-day thing. She did dozens, despite having small children and fighting tuberculosis.</p>
<p>Thanks for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve received a note from Left Field with a very funny opening line (&quot;Hmm, I suppose the extra 25c was to compensate men for the trouble of the proxy ordination?&quot;) and giving his reasons from personal experience to date the &quot;segregation&quot; of ordinances to about 1980. My experience dates to 1981 when the options he described were not offered, so he convinces me.

Friends, with that, let&#039;s all please refocus on the original topic: helping the Saints accomplish their obligations to deceased family members when those Saints had little hope of regular temple attendance. Our other discussion is one I would enjoy were we all gathered in the same room as friends, but not in public. I&#039;ll post a similar note on the other thread where this discussion has spilled. Thanks for your cooperation.

Some of you must have served missions before temples were scattered abroad, and in places where the Saints would be lucky to travel to a temple for even their own ordinances. Any memories of how they thought of temple work for their deceased friends and relatives?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve received a note from Left Field with a very funny opening line (&#8220;Hmm, I suppose the extra 25c was to compensate men for the trouble of the proxy ordination?&#8221;) and giving his reasons from personal experience to date the &#8220;segregation&#8221; of ordinances to about 1980. My experience dates to 1981 when the options he described were not offered, so he convinces me.</p>
<p>Friends, with that, let&#8217;s all please refocus on the original topic: helping the Saints accomplish their obligations to deceased family members when those Saints had little hope of regular temple attendance. Our other discussion is one I would enjoy were we all gathered in the same room as friends, but not in public. I&#8217;ll post a similar note on the other thread where this discussion has spilled. Thanks for your cooperation.</p>
<p>Some of you must have served missions before temples were scattered abroad, and in places where the Saints would be lucky to travel to a temple for even their own ordinances. Any memories of how they thought of temple work for their deceased friends and relatives?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2747</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[J. Stapley and Justin,

It doesn&#039;t matter to me which one of you does the research and writes it.  I&#039;ll be grateful either way.

I had thought (and maybe it came from thin air), that at some time in the distant past all the initiatory ordinances and the endowment would be done by the same proxy on the same day, and that before then even baptisms would be done at the beginning of that day.  (I know it can be done, even now, with family names.)

Anyway, I&#039;m happily awaiting enlightenment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J. Stapley and Justin,</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter to me which one of you does the research and writes it.  I&#8217;ll be grateful either way.</p>
<p>I had thought (and maybe it came from thin air), that at some time in the distant past all the initiatory ordinances and the endowment would be done by the same proxy on the same day, and that before then even baptisms would be done at the beginning of that day.  (I know it can be done, even now, with family names.)</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m happily awaiting enlightenment.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2746</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, I&#039;ll let Ardis set her own ground rules, but I don&#039;t think that I am comfortable discussing such details on the blogs.

I also remembered that I have an account about a temple worker in, I believe, 1914 that indicated his salary as $20 a month (workers used to be paid in thise days) - a bit more than the going rate for dong an endowment a day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I&#8217;ll let Ardis set her own ground rules, but I don&#8217;t think that I am comfortable discussing such details on the blogs.</p>
<p>I also remembered that I have an account about a temple worker in, I believe, 1914 that indicated his salary as $20 a month (workers used to be paid in thise days) &#8211; a bit more than the going rate for dong an endowment a day.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Mark, I’m not sure that there is a significant history of doing all the proxy work in the same session as a rule.&lt;/em&gt;

J., I&#039;m looking to you to write it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mark, I’m not sure that there is a significant history of doing all the proxy work in the same session as a rule.</em></p>
<p>J., I&#8217;m looking to you to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve C.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2742</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would be interested to know, within reason, more about the evolution of the temple work during the 20th century.  Certainly, bearing in mind the sacred nature of the temple, we couldn&#039;t discuss all changes and so forth, but I do find it interesting.  I have heard that in earlier days there were parts of the ceremony, including singing, that was done in the Celestial room.  Does anyone know anything about this?  (I hope I&#039;m not deviating too far from the original post on this.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be interested to know, within reason, more about the evolution of the temple work during the 20th century.  Certainly, bearing in mind the sacred nature of the temple, we couldn&#8217;t discuss all changes and so forth, but I do find it interesting.  I have heard that in earlier days there were parts of the ceremony, including singing, that was done in the Celestial room.  Does anyone know anything about this?  (I hope I&#8217;m not deviating too far from the original post on this.)</p>
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		<title>By: J. Stapley</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2741</link>
		<dc:creator>J. Stapley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, obviously great minds are thinking alike, before I read the footnote I thought, &quot;sweet! Ardis is going to give me answers to a question I have had for sometime now!&quot;. As far as I can tell the policy of having a family heir persisted well into the twenties...I think it may have been one of those things that was just too hard to manage on a large scale.  I&#039;m still working on it though.

As to when the endowment was shortened, after the death of pres. Lund, George F. Richards became president of the SLC Temple and reformed practices between 1921-1923, with changes including eliminating temple healers, calling temple president wives as matrons, reforming the endowment, and shortening the garment.  I&#039;m traveling and can&#039;t check now, but I think the endowment changes were in 1922.

Mark, I&#039;m not sure that there is a significan&#039;t history of doing all the proxy work in the same session as a rule.  I&#039;ll look at some resources when I am able, though.

Thanks as always Ardis, for the great post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, obviously great minds are thinking alike, before I read the footnote I thought, &#8220;sweet! Ardis is going to give me answers to a question I have had for sometime now!&#8221;. As far as I can tell the policy of having a family heir persisted well into the twenties&#8230;I think it may have been one of those things that was just too hard to manage on a large scale.  I&#8217;m still working on it though.</p>
<p>As to when the endowment was shortened, after the death of pres. Lund, George F. Richards became president of the SLC Temple and reformed practices between 1921-1923, with changes including eliminating temple healers, calling temple president wives as matrons, reforming the endowment, and shortening the garment.  I&#8217;m traveling and can&#8217;t check now, but I think the endowment changes were in 1922.</p>
<p>Mark, I&#8217;m not sure that there is a significan&#8217;t history of doing all the proxy work in the same session as a rule.  I&#8217;ll look at some resources when I am able, though.</p>
<p>Thanks as always Ardis, for the great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/08/29/to-members-far-from-temples-1916/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You better believe it, Mark. When you&#039;ve done 4000 day-long endowments, plus scads of baptisms for the dead, you can start sneering. ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You better believe it, Mark. When you&#8217;ve done 4000 day-long endowments, plus scads of baptisms for the dead, you can start sneering. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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