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	<title>Comments on: Dr. Pack and the Common Six-Pack</title>
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	<description>Where our past is never very long ago</description>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2074</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bill, &quot;my&quot; Dr. Pack is a son of &quot;your&quot; farmer John Pack (who was also the owner of the carriage our friends Ambrose and Betts were driving out of town that fall day in 1856). That&#039;s another indication of how small 19th century Utah society really was, and why I think it is almost always possible to name imperfectly identified people mentioned in the documents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, &#8220;my&#8221; Dr. Pack is a son of &#8220;your&#8221; farmer John Pack (who was also the owner of the carriage our friends Ambrose and Betts were driving out of town that fall day in 1856). That&#8217;s another indication of how small 19th century Utah society really was, and why I think it is almost always possible to name imperfectly identified people mentioned in the documents.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill MacKinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2072</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill MacKinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis,
   Was &quot;your&quot; Dr. Pack per chance descended from &quot;my&quot; farmer John Pack, who complained to Brigham Young in August 1857  after six Nauvoo Legionnaires entered his field and at gunpoint forcibly unhitched one of his horses from a farm wagon for use on the Nebraska plains in making first contact with the approaching Utah Expedition? If so, you might wish to run Farmer Pack&#039;s indignant letter. To me, it reflects not only the at-times-heavy-handed side of Legion military operations but the extent to which at least one prosperous Mormon farmer felt free to question decisions from from those &quot;above&quot; him in the scheme of things that he felt to be unjust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis,<br />
   Was &#8220;your&#8221; Dr. Pack per chance descended from &#8220;my&#8221; farmer John Pack, who complained to Brigham Young in August 1857  after six Nauvoo Legionnaires entered his field and at gunpoint forcibly unhitched one of his horses from a farm wagon for use on the Nebraska plains in making first contact with the approaching Utah Expedition? If so, you might wish to run Farmer Pack&#8217;s indignant letter. To me, it reflects not only the at-times-heavy-handed side of Legion military operations but the extent to which at least one prosperous Mormon farmer felt free to question decisions from from those &#8220;above&#8221; him in the scheme of things that he felt to be unjust.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2051</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The pattern I noticed, John, was &lt;strong&gt;S&lt;/strong&gt;edenia &lt;strong&gt;T&lt;/strong&gt;amson and &lt;strong&gt;O&lt;/strong&gt;rson &lt;strong&gt;P&lt;/strong&gt;arley.  Maybe if they&#039;d named them in that order, someone would have taken the hint!

Our first four children&#039;s names begin with the letters M A R and K (not in order, and completely inadvertent).  Our fifth (and last) child has a name that begins with the first letter of my wife&#039;s name.  After I realized what we had done, I told Deanna:  Now we just need five more children, to use up the remaining letters in your name.

You can see how far that suggestion went.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pattern I noticed, John, was <strong>S</strong>edenia <strong>T</strong>amson and <strong>O</strong>rson <strong>P</strong>arley.  Maybe if they&#8217;d named them in that order, someone would have taken the hint!</p>
<p>Our first four children&#8217;s names begin with the letters M A R and K (not in order, and completely inadvertent).  Our fifth (and last) child has a name that begins with the first letter of my wife&#8217;s name.  After I realized what we had done, I told Deanna:  Now we just need five more children, to use up the remaining letters in your name.</p>
<p>You can see how far that suggestion went.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2047</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sometime we should have a post and discussion, rather than burying it in comments, about Mormon naming patterns. I know it has been done before by others, but John&#039;s example is new to me, and it is always fun. When we do that, let&#039;s try to remember where this is buried and bring it over into the new discussion.

... where I will undoubtedly bring up my two favorite central Utah names of the late 19th century: Josephina Brighamina, and DeBris.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometime we should have a post and discussion, rather than burying it in comments, about Mormon naming patterns. I know it has been done before by others, but John&#8217;s example is new to me, and it is always fun. When we do that, let&#8217;s try to remember where this is buried and bring it over into the new discussion.</p>
<p>&#8230; where I will undoubtedly bring up my two favorite central Utah names of the late 19th century: Josephina Brighamina, and DeBris.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2044</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, that should be considered cruel and unusual punishment - although it was more common than many realize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, that should be considered cruel and unusual punishment &#8211; although it was more common than many realize.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mansfield</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2040</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mansfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 12:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That state dinner reminds me of what Johns Hopkins nephew Joseph said of him:

&quot;I never took a dinner at Clifton when there was not champagne, whether company was there or not. Jim (a servant) started to fill my glass and I put my hand over it. &#039;Take thy hand off thy glass, Joe&#039; said Uncle Johns. &#039;Let the wine stand if thee does not want it, but don&#039;t publish thy temperance resolves.&#039;&quot;

Also, my father-in-law wrote back that it was Frederick Pack whose example he followed in initially majoring in geology.  Though Frederick Pack had died before my father-in-law was born, the family still talked of him admiringly.  Frederick&#039;s older brother Quince Rufus lived to an advanced age, and my father-in-law was close to him.

Speaking of Quince Rufus: he had a younger half-sister Sedenia Tamson and an older half-brother Orson Parley.  Get the pattern?  The things it takes to name 45 children!  Fortunately for Frederick James, this particularly naming scheme ended before he came along.  Walter Xenophon and Yoma Zenith weren&#039;t so lucky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That state dinner reminds me of what Johns Hopkins nephew Joseph said of him:</p>
<p>&#8220;I never took a dinner at Clifton when there was not champagne, whether company was there or not. Jim (a servant) started to fill my glass and I put my hand over it. &#8216;Take thy hand off thy glass, Joe&#8217; said Uncle Johns. &#8216;Let the wine stand if thee does not want it, but don&#8217;t publish thy temperance resolves.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, my father-in-law wrote back that it was Frederick Pack whose example he followed in initially majoring in geology.  Though Frederick Pack had died before my father-in-law was born, the family still talked of him admiringly.  Frederick&#8217;s older brother Quince Rufus lived to an advanced age, and my father-in-law was close to him.</p>
<p>Speaking of Quince Rufus: he had a younger half-sister Sedenia Tamson and an older half-brother Orson Parley.  Get the pattern?  The things it takes to name 45 children!  Fortunately for Frederick James, this particularly naming scheme ended before he came along.  Walter Xenophon and Yoma Zenith weren&#8217;t so lucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2021</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nothing to add but my thanks for a good laugh.  I&#039;ve heard all the quotes in the past, but some things are too good to laugh only once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing to add but my thanks for a good laugh.  I&#8217;ve heard all the quotes in the past, but some things are too good to laugh only once.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2020</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll send you a buck to replace the root beer, Ardis. But I won&#039;t be responsible for any damage to your computer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll send you a buck to replace the root beer, Ardis. But I won&#8217;t be responsible for any damage to your computer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/07/30/dr-pack-and-the-common-six-pack/comment-page-1/#comment-2019</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s A&amp;W, kevin, no doubt about that. Two liters in the summertime for rootbeer floats... mmmm...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s A&#038;W, kevin, no doubt about that. Two liters in the summertime for rootbeer floats&#8230; mmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bfwebster</title>
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		<dc:creator>bfwebster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops...that should have been &quot;throughout the dinner&quot;.  ..bruce..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops&#8230;that should have been &#8220;throughout the dinner&#8221;.  ..bruce..</p>
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