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	<title>Comments on: What I Learned at the UVSC Bus Stop</title>
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		<title>By: eTigger</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/21/what-i-learned-at-the-uvsc-bus-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-653</link>
		<dc:creator>eTigger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I was surprised that you were annoyed because they were speaking another language. Xenophobia, for sure.&quot;

My cousin and his wife were American tourists walking the streets of a not-to-be-named European city when he overheard a couple behind them say some very insulting things about them in German.  He ignored this for a couple of minutes, but the couple became louder and more rude, actually laughing because they believed he didn&#039;t understand what they were saying.

Finally, he turned and spoke to them in German, asking them to stop.  Rather than apologize and move on, the couple began a new mean-spirited conversation in French.  My cousin knows multiple languages, and they went through five before the couple gave up.

When my cousin told this story, I could almost hear the couple muttering as they left, &quot;Damn those Americans!  Is noting sacred.  Now we can&#039;t even insult them when we want to anymore!  What&#039;s the world coming to?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I was surprised that you were annoyed because they were speaking another language. Xenophobia, for sure.&#8221;</p>
<p>My cousin and his wife were American tourists walking the streets of a not-to-be-named European city when he overheard a couple behind them say some very insulting things about them in German.  He ignored this for a couple of minutes, but the couple became louder and more rude, actually laughing because they believed he didn&#8217;t understand what they were saying.</p>
<p>Finally, he turned and spoke to them in German, asking them to stop.  Rather than apologize and move on, the couple began a new mean-spirited conversation in French.  My cousin knows multiple languages, and they went through five before the couple gave up.</p>
<p>When my cousin told this story, I could almost hear the couple muttering as they left, &#8220;Damn those Americans!  Is noting sacred.  Now we can&#8217;t even insult them when we want to anymore!  What&#8217;s the world coming to?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ECS</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/21/what-i-learned-at-the-uvsc-bus-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>ECS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this post, Ardis.  Excellent writing and important message for us all. (I&#039;m talking about the shared silence, not the UVSC/UVCC diploma controversy)

Btw, I&#039;m bugged by dragging flip flops, too - and I&#039;m not that old. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post, Ardis.  Excellent writing and important message for us all. (I&#8217;m talking about the shared silence, not the UVSC/UVCC diploma controversy)</p>
<p>Btw, I&#8217;m bugged by dragging flip flops, too &#8211; and I&#8217;m not that old. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maurine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The city I live in has a lot of Hispanics, mostly illegal. About three years ago a family moved in across the street from us. The father speaks fairly good English, the children very good English, and the mother very little English. She is getting better. We go to their big family birthday parties and to family weddings where we are usually the one people there not speaking Spanish. It is a funny feeling to be in minority. But, we know all of the extended family well enough by now that we are still included and they all speak as much English as they can to us.

The father became a citizen this year, and the mother got her green card last year and is working on her citizenship papers. I have tutored most of the children.

Our greatest culture difference is with food. The mother won&#039;t eat any ground beef. She is an excellent cook, as far as her background goes, and I like most of her food. However, one year at Christmas she tried to feed me some soup that had pigs feet floating around in it. I looked at her and said, &quot;You don&#039;t eat my hamburgers--I don&#039;t eat  your pigs feet.&quot; Then we both laughed and everything was ok.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city I live in has a lot of Hispanics, mostly illegal. About three years ago a family moved in across the street from us. The father speaks fairly good English, the children very good English, and the mother very little English. She is getting better. We go to their big family birthday parties and to family weddings where we are usually the one people there not speaking Spanish. It is a funny feeling to be in minority. But, we know all of the extended family well enough by now that we are still included and they all speak as much English as they can to us.</p>
<p>The father became a citizen this year, and the mother got her green card last year and is working on her citizenship papers. I have tutored most of the children.</p>
<p>Our greatest culture difference is with food. The mother won&#8217;t eat any ground beef. She is an excellent cook, as far as her background goes, and I like most of her food. However, one year at Christmas she tried to feed me some soup that had pigs feet floating around in it. I looked at her and said, &#8220;You don&#8217;t eat my hamburgers&#8211;I don&#8217;t eat  your pigs feet.&#8221; Then we both laughed and everything was ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/21/what-i-learned-at-the-uvsc-bus-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-638</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoops.  Hit send too soon.

My point was that as I had that experience it made me suddenly wonder what it must be like for minorities coming to Utah who had never had that experience of literally being the minority.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops.  Hit send too soon.</p>
<p>My point was that as I had that experience it made me suddenly wonder what it must be like for minorities coming to Utah who had never had that experience of literally being the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/21/what-i-learned-at-the-uvsc-bus-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-637</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 01:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is a bit annoying.  But then they still teach trades there like truck driving.  I assume those are associate degrees rather than bachelor degrees.

To your main point, I remain convinced that most of our prejudices are due to ignorance and ignorance is due to just not experiencing the familiarity with people we ought have.  Hopefully we all experience shakeups to get us out of any prejudices we still have.  (And we all have them - even if they may not be racially based)  I really think that going to an area where &lt;i&gt;we&lt;/i&gt; are the minority is a good thing.

I still remember coming to Utah and being so freaked out at a basic level that there were no African Americans at any of the grocery stores.  It was a bit of a shock after spending much of my mission in areas where often I was the only European-American in the store.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a bit annoying.  But then they still teach trades there like truck driving.  I assume those are associate degrees rather than bachelor degrees.</p>
<p>To your main point, I remain convinced that most of our prejudices are due to ignorance and ignorance is due to just not experiencing the familiarity with people we ought have.  Hopefully we all experience shakeups to get us out of any prejudices we still have.  (And we all have them &#8211; even if they may not be racially based)  I really think that going to an area where <i>we</i> are the minority is a good thing.</p>
<p>I still remember coming to Utah and being so freaked out at a basic level that there were no African Americans at any of the grocery stores.  It was a bit of a shock after spending much of my mission in areas where often I was the only European-American in the store.</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My first real in-depth exposure to a different culture was having a Korean roommate at BYU. At the time, she seemed rather flaky and her food preferences were difficult to live with (squid, anyone?). But after our experiences during my husband&#039;s graduate school days, we really learned to love the Korean people and enjoy at least some of their cuisine. It&#039;s always a surprise to run into one&#039;s own prejudices and a more pleasant surprise to realize that a prejudice has been overcome. Thanks for the thought-provoking story!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first real in-depth exposure to a different culture was having a Korean roommate at BYU. At the time, she seemed rather flaky and her food preferences were difficult to live with (squid, anyone?). But after our experiences during my husband&#8217;s graduate school days, we really learned to love the Korean people and enjoy at least some of their cuisine. It&#8217;s always a surprise to run into one&#8217;s own prejudices and a more pleasant surprise to realize that a prejudice has been overcome. Thanks for the thought-provoking story!</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/21/what-i-learned-at-the-uvsc-bus-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-633</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben, I&#039;m going by a 9 March 2008 article in the &lt;em&gt;Deseret News,&lt;/em&gt;, &quot;UVSC Offers a Diploma Upgrade.&quot; It costs $25, and applies to &quot;Utah Valley State College -- or any of the vocational, trade or tech schools from which the college emerged.&quot; Those who graduated before 1985 might have to contact the registrar by phone, since they might not be in the computer system. They know exactly what they&#039;re doing with this version of the diploma mill, too, as demonstrated by a quoted comment from student Travis Thompson: &quot;People see a university as something with more credentials than a college,&quot; Thompson said. &quot;It&#039;s status.&quot;

But I&#039;m trying not to be annoyed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I&#8217;m going by a 9 March 2008 article in the <em>Deseret News,</em>, &#8220;UVSC Offers a Diploma Upgrade.&#8221; It costs $25, and applies to &#8220;Utah Valley State College &#8212; or any of the vocational, trade or tech schools from which the college emerged.&#8221; Those who graduated before 1985 might have to contact the registrar by phone, since they might not be in the computer system. They know exactly what they&#8217;re doing with this version of the diploma mill, too, as demonstrated by a quoted comment from student Travis Thompson: &#8220;People see a university as something with more credentials than a college,&#8221; Thompson said. &#8220;It&#8217;s status.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m trying not to be annoyed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ardis, great post. I get picked up from that bus stop everyday, and I think I know exactly who you are talking about. I share in your learning experience.

Side note: I thought only those who attended UVSC in the last 4 years could get updated degrees? I could definitely be mistaken, however.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ardis, great post. I get picked up from that bus stop everyday, and I think I know exactly who you are talking about. I share in your learning experience.</p>
<p>Side note: I thought only those who attended UVSC in the last 4 years could get updated degrees? I could definitely be mistaken, however.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/21/what-i-learned-at-the-uvsc-bus-stop/comment-page-1/#comment-628</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for every one of these comments and stories. I&#039;m working on patience and respect and will only count myself successful when it comes in the dentist chair and at the library and at the bus stop and without the impetus of tragedy. Thanks for pointing out that I can draw on the temple experience for a model. This is another aspect of temple training that needs to be carried along once I&#039;m back in street clothes and faced with everyday chaos, and backslide from my own best behavior.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for every one of these comments and stories. I&#8217;m working on patience and respect and will only count myself successful when it comes in the dentist chair and at the library and at the bus stop and without the impetus of tragedy. Thanks for pointing out that I can draw on the temple experience for a model. This is another aspect of temple training that needs to be carried along once I&#8217;m back in street clothes and faced with everyday chaos, and backslide from my own best behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[m&amp;m beat me to it with #3.  When I read, &quot;Shared silence&quot; in the context of multiple cultures and ethnicities, I immediately thought of the temple.  I love that both Adam/Eve and the Lord can be any color with any accent in that shared silence.  

Perhaps it takes hardship and tragedy to unite the natural man, but it doesn&#039;t have to be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m&amp;m beat me to it with #3.  When I read, &#8220;Shared silence&#8221; in the context of multiple cultures and ethnicities, I immediately thought of the temple.  I love that both Adam/Eve and the Lord can be any color with any accent in that shared silence.  </p>
<p>Perhaps it takes hardship and tragedy to unite the natural man, but it doesn&#8217;t have to be.</p>
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