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	<title>Comments on: Where Is a Mormon&#8217;s Abode?</title>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/02/where-is-a-mormons-abode/comment-page-1/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mark B for the info!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mark B for the info!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/02/where-is-a-mormons-abode/comment-page-1/#comment-345</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 16:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, Researcher.  Courts should only rule on the case before them.  The plaintiff didn&#039;t attempt service abroad, so there was no question about the validity of any method of such service.

Payment of taxes or the census records aren&#039;t useful tests in this situation, because what matters for the commencement of a lawsuit is that the method of service of process be reasonably likely to give actual notice of the lawsuit to the person being sued.  And a person can pay taxes for property that he has never seen, and census records record one point in time, and people could have moved between that time and the date of service of process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Researcher.  Courts should only rule on the case before them.  The plaintiff didn&#8217;t attempt service abroad, so there was no question about the validity of any method of such service.</p>
<p>Payment of taxes or the census records aren&#8217;t useful tests in this situation, because what matters for the commencement of a lawsuit is that the method of service of process be reasonably likely to give actual notice of the lawsuit to the person being sued.  And a person can pay taxes for property that he has never seen, and census records record one point in time, and people could have moved between that time and the date of service of process.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/02/where-is-a-mormons-abode/comment-page-1/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A practical way to look at an actual abode would be to look at who was paying taxes on the property. 

Another way would be to find where someone was listed as living in the census. Can the courts access current census records?

But like Mark B said, you would have to research the procedures at the time for serving process when the person was out of the country which may have rendered the normal process serving invalid regardless of his normal abode.

Should the court have ruled on both points of law?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A practical way to look at an actual abode would be to look at who was paying taxes on the property. </p>
<p>Another way would be to find where someone was listed as living in the census. Can the courts access current census records?</p>
<p>But like Mark B said, you would have to research the procedures at the time for serving process when the person was out of the country which may have rendered the normal process serving invalid regardless of his normal abode.</p>
<p>Should the court have ruled on both points of law?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/02/where-is-a-mormons-abode/comment-page-1/#comment-323</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray,

The court didn&#039;t say where his &quot;usual place of abode&quot; was.  But they did say that the home Augusta lived in was not it.    I don&#039;t know the rules of procedure for Utah courts in that period, and, as a practical matter, he may have been impossible to serve until he returned to Utah.  Now there are procedures for serving process abroad, but I don&#039;t know what the law was then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray,</p>
<p>The court didn&#8217;t say where his &#8220;usual place of abode&#8221; was.  But they did say that the home Augusta lived in was not it.    I don&#8217;t know the rules of procedure for Utah courts in that period, and, as a practical matter, he may have been impossible to serve until he returned to Utah.  Now there are procedures for serving process abroad, but I don&#8217;t know what the law was then.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Btw, the story in #2 is hilarious.  

The reality in #1 is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, the story in #2 is hilarious.  </p>
<p>The reality in #1 is not.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 02:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting legal question.  So, according to the court ruling, what was his usual (legal) place of abode?  Where should it have been served?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting legal question.  So, according to the court ruling, what was his usual (legal) place of abode?  Where should it have been served?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/02/where-is-a-mormons-abode/comment-page-1/#comment-320</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 01:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That question does arise, doesn&#039;t it?  Although it would be hard to get an answer from England during the time allowed for filing an answer in court.

Still, shouldn&#039;t Augusta, a person of suitable age and experience, have thought about contacting one of Heber&#039;s business associates and having him get the lawyers involved?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That question does arise, doesn&#8217;t it?  Although it would be hard to get an answer from England during the time allowed for filing an answer in court.</p>
<p>Still, shouldn&#8217;t Augusta, a person of suitable age and experience, have thought about contacting one of Heber&#8217;s business associates and having him get the lawyers involved?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if Augusta mentioned Lawrence&#039;s lawsuit in any of her letters to Heber while he was living in England.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Augusta mentioned Lawrence&#8217;s lawsuit in any of her letters to Heber while he was living in England.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should have included the reference:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=TwaRoug.sgm&amp;images=images/modeng&amp;data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&amp;tag=public&amp;part=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roughing It&lt;/a&gt;

I searched the words &quot;Christian charity&quot; after opening the whole book, and was taken right to this passage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have included the reference:</p>
<p><a href="http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=TwaRoug.sgm&amp;images=images/modeng&amp;data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&amp;tag=public&amp;part=all" rel="nofollow">Roughing It</a></p>
<p>I searched the words &#8220;Christian charity&#8221; after opening the whole book, and was taken right to this passage.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/06/02/where-is-a-mormons-abode/comment-page-1/#comment-316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Ha&quot; all you want!  Obviously the wives in the story saw the husband&#039;s visits as a burden, not a blessing.  Which just suggests that Twain was right, but perhaps for different reasons:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Our stay in Salt Lake City amounted to only two days, and therefore we had no time to make the customary inquisition into the workings of polygamy and get up the usual statistics and deductions preparatory to calling the attention of the nation at large once more to the matter. 
With the gushing self-sufficiency of youth I was feverish to plunge in headlong and achieve a great reform here -- until I saw the Mormon women. Then I was touched. My heart was wiser than my head. It warmed toward these poor, ungainly and pathetically &quot;homely&quot; creatures, and as I turned to hide the generous moisture in my eyes, I said, &quot;No -- the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their harsh censure -- and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ha&#8221; all you want!  Obviously the wives in the story saw the husband&#8217;s visits as a burden, not a blessing.  Which just suggests that Twain was right, but perhaps for different reasons:</p>
<blockquote><p>Our stay in Salt Lake City amounted to only two days, and therefore we had no time to make the customary inquisition into the workings of polygamy and get up the usual statistics and deductions preparatory to calling the attention of the nation at large once more to the matter.<br />
With the gushing self-sufficiency of youth I was feverish to plunge in headlong and achieve a great reform here &#8212; until I saw the Mormon women. Then I was touched. My heart was wiser than my head. It warmed toward these poor, ungainly and pathetically &#8220;homely&#8221; creatures, and as I turned to hide the generous moisture in my eyes, I said, &#8220;No &#8212; the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their harsh censure &#8212; and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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