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		<title>By: Bill MacKinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-254</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill MacKinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re Ardis&#039;s #2, Thomas L. Kane challenged Col. Albert Sidney Johnston to a duel at Camp Scott, Utah Territory (near Fort Bridger) in March 1858 over a perceived slight. Kane could not get anyone to act as a second but still insisted on going through with the drill. The conflict was resolved when Johnston sent Kane a note stating that he intended no slight. It was not an apology but Kane considered it a major triumph and was &quot;satisfied.&quot; Mathew Grow wrote a fine article about this incident that appeared in &quot;UHQ&quot; several years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Ardis&#8217;s #2, Thomas L. Kane challenged Col. Albert Sidney Johnston to a duel at Camp Scott, Utah Territory (near Fort Bridger) in March 1858 over a perceived slight. Kane could not get anyone to act as a second but still insisted on going through with the drill. The conflict was resolved when Johnston sent Kane a note stating that he intended no slight. It was not an apology but Kane considered it a major triumph and was &#8220;satisfied.&#8221; Mathew Grow wrote a fine article about this incident that appeared in &#8220;UHQ&#8221; several years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 23:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Indeed, Ardis. 

Part of my interest in this subject was sparked, of course, by &quot;Affairs of Honor&quot; by Joanne Freeman, but it&#039;s been something that was on my mind even before that because of some nascent thoughts/scribblings related to a fiction project. 

My favorite part of Freeman&#039;s book is her reproduction of the 1792 &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;//books.google.com/books?id=Wmz3tNhWm7UC&amp;pg=PA134&amp;dq=affairs+of+honor+francis+hopkinson&amp;sig=bifUzao-ACuxJ31dONJjFc1KxJo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Plan for the Improvement of the Art of Paper War&lt;/a&gt;&quot; by Francis Hopkinson. 

It culminates with a calling someone a coward in five line pica. And then since that is as far as the art of printing can take things so the next step is an actual duel.

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No kidding, Justin. I was able to make some of it out, but not much.   But thanks for the source. I&#039;ll have to see if I can glean some more details from it later -- it&#039;s about time to go out with my wife for Indian food.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Ardis. </p>
<p>Part of my interest in this subject was sparked, of course, by &#8220;Affairs of Honor&#8221; by Joanne Freeman, but it&#8217;s been something that was on my mind even before that because of some nascent thoughts/scribblings related to a fiction project. </p>
<p>My favorite part of Freeman&#8217;s book is her reproduction of the 1792 &#8220;<a href="//books.google.com/books?id=Wmz3tNhWm7UC&amp;pg=PA134&amp;dq=affairs+of+honor+francis+hopkinson&amp;sig=bifUzao-ACuxJ31dONJjFc1KxJo" rel="nofollow">Plan for the Improvement of the Art of Paper War</a>&#8221; by Francis Hopkinson. </p>
<p>It culminates with a calling someone a coward in five line pica. And then since that is as far as the art of printing can take things so the next step is an actual duel.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
No kidding, Justin. I was able to make some of it out, but not much.   But thanks for the source. I&#8217;ll have to see if I can glean some more details from it later &#8212; it&#8217;s about time to go out with my wife for Indian food.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is the story of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/slt7&amp;CISOPTR=7723&amp;CISOBOX=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;more formal duel&lt;/a&gt; that apparently fizzled out.  (The article is pretty difficult to read.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the story of a <a href="http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/slt7&amp;CISOPTR=7723&amp;CISOBOX=1" rel="nofollow">more formal duel</a> that apparently fizzled out.  (The article is pretty difficult to read.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Today I responded at a session of MHA in which one of the speakers challenged my interpretation of events in an article I published. I challenged his reinterpretation. Someone in the audience asked when he would be able to hear the challenger&#039;s response to my rebuttal.

The only possible answer? &quot;Our seconds are negotiating that now.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I responded at a session of MHA in which one of the speakers challenged my interpretation of events in an article I published. I challenged his reinterpretation. Someone in the audience asked when he would be able to hear the challenger&#8217;s response to my rebuttal.</p>
<p>The only possible answer? &#8220;Our seconds are negotiating that now.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Justin. 

I don&#039;t believe that shotguns are traditional dueling weapons. ;-)

The description of the Mealey case uses language that hints at a more traditional approach -- even though it ended with an ambush. Although since it was 10 years later, perhaps the description was made to appear more in line with dueling code than it actually was.

It&#039;s interesting that seconds are mentioned in neither article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Justin. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe that shotguns are traditional dueling weapons. <img src='http://www.keepapitchinin.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The description of the Mealey case uses language that hints at a more traditional approach &#8212; even though it ended with an ambush. Although since it was 10 years later, perhaps the description was made to appear more in line with dueling code than it actually was.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that seconds are mentioned in neither article.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t find much about protocols, William.  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/deseretnews6&amp;CISOPTR=24710&amp;CISOBOX=0&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mealey case&lt;/a&gt; (&quot;A Fatal Shot&quot;) arose from an (unspecified) altercation with a restaurant keeper.  

Blancett &lt;a href=&quot;http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/deseretnews6&amp;CISOPTR=37232&amp;CISOBOX=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;accused Henry Parrish&lt;/a&gt; of robbery and shooting a man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t find much about protocols, William.  The <a href="http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/deseretnews6&amp;CISOPTR=24710&amp;CISOBOX=0" rel="nofollow">Mealey case</a> (&#8220;A Fatal Shot&#8221;) arose from an (unspecified) altercation with a restaurant keeper.  </p>
<p>Blancett <a href="http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm4/doc_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/deseretnews6&amp;CISOPTR=37232&amp;CISOBOX=1" rel="nofollow">accused Henry Parrish</a> of robbery and shooting a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 01:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#5 - Ardis, that might be even funnier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#5 &#8211; Ardis, that might be even funnier.</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Justin. Very interesting.

And clearly the spirit of dueling had very much been lost if they were ambushed. Any word on what caused the duels and what dueling protocols were being used?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Justin. Very interesting.</p>
<p>And clearly the spirit of dueling had very much been lost if they were ambushed. Any word on what caused the duels and what dueling protocols were being used?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/22/more-19th-century-knock-knock-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 21:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve come across the names of some dueling victims in Utah: John Mealey (shot in 1874, died in 1885); and Enos Blancett (1887).  Actually, though, both men were apparently shot by their opponents while headed to the meeting place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come across the names of some dueling victims in Utah: John Mealey (shot in 1874, died in 1885); and Enos Blancett (1887).  Actually, though, both men were apparently shot by their opponents while headed to the meeting place.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 20:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, that&#039;s my favorite of this batch.

Ray, it reminds me of one my dad used to tell about a conversation between two farmers:  &quot;Heered you buried your wife.&quot; &quot;Had to. Dead, you know.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, that&#8217;s my favorite of this batch.</p>
<p>Ray, it reminds me of one my dad used to tell about a conversation between two farmers:  &#8220;Heered you buried your wife.&#8221; &#8220;Had to. Dead, you know.&#8221;</p>
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