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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I hear. He would have been okay to get into the army in 1861 or 1862, but would have needed to lie to vote in 1864 when he would have been 20, since voting age was then 21. But hey, it was all in a good cause, &#039;cause he was voting for Lincoln!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I hear. He would have been okay to get into the army in 1861 or 1862, but would have needed to lie to vote in 1864 when he would have been 20, since voting age was then 21. But hey, it was all in a good cause, &#8217;cause he was voting for Lincoln!</p>
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		<title>By: Researcher</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t lying about your age to get into the military an honorable old tradition during wars?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t lying about your age to get into the military an honorable old tradition during wars?</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very helpful, Justin, thanks. I see from your source that voting in the field wasn&#039;t proposed for Michigan until 1863, so even had Milnes /cough/ lied about his age /cough/ he couldn&#039;t have voted in 1862 under that act, even had Lincoln been up for election in 1862. 

I&#039;ve just found another source for Milnes&#039; life which clears up most of the problem -- the source I drew on earlier was less detailed, and &quot;1862&quot; was either an error of fact or a typo: Wm. Livingstone, &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=ZMAlAAAAMAAJ&amp;pg=PA284-IA1&amp;lpg=PA284-IA1&amp;dq=alfred+milnes+michigan+lincoln&amp;source=web&amp;ots=1hXhJkyZkU&amp;sig=YXHI-Yhcl0db5CSswrvLoI6_Qf0&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; History of the Republican Party&lt;/a&gt;, 284, says that &quot;Mr. Milnes has been a Republican ever since he was old enough to know politics, and cast his first vote for Abraham Lincoln while in the army in front of Petersburg, Va., in 1864.&quot; So if he had /cough/ lied about his age /cough/ by a few months, he &lt;em&gt;could&lt;/em&gt; have voted for Lincoln in 1864, under the disputed act discussed in your reference. Whew!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful, Justin, thanks. I see from your source that voting in the field wasn&#8217;t proposed for Michigan until 1863, so even had Milnes /cough/ lied about his age /cough/ he couldn&#8217;t have voted in 1862 under that act, even had Lincoln been up for election in 1862. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just found another source for Milnes&#8217; life which clears up most of the problem &#8212; the source I drew on earlier was less detailed, and &#8220;1862&#8243; was either an error of fact or a typo: Wm. Livingstone, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ZMAlAAAAMAAJ&#038;pg=PA284-IA1&#038;lpg=PA284-IA1&#038;dq=alfred+milnes+michigan+lincoln&#038;source=web&#038;ots=1hXhJkyZkU&#038;sig=YXHI-Yhcl0db5CSswrvLoI6_Qf0&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow"> History of the Republican Party</a>, 284, says that &#8220;Mr. Milnes has been a Republican ever since he was old enough to know politics, and cast his first vote for Abraham Lincoln while in the army in front of Petersburg, Va., in 1864.&#8221; So if he had /cough/ lied about his age /cough/ by a few months, he <em>could</em> have voted for Lincoln in 1864, under the disputed act discussed in your reference. Whew!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also there was a dispute in Michigan during the Civil War over whether soldiers from Michigan should be able to vote in the field.  Twenty-one remained the qualifying age. 

J. Benton, &lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=xjUSAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA101&amp;lpg=PA101&amp;dq=voting+michigan+blodgett&amp;source=web&amp;ots=qZMXHwi5ji&amp;sig=TdNMfGtPtUiQHmsn659aBUAsmQE&amp;hl=en#PPA104,M1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Voting in the Field&lt;/a&gt;, 92-104.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also there was a dispute in Michigan during the Civil War over whether soldiers from Michigan should be able to vote in the field.  Twenty-one remained the qualifying age. </p>
<p>J. Benton, <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=xjUSAAAAIAAJ&amp;pg=PA101&amp;lpg=PA101&amp;dq=voting+michigan+blodgett&amp;source=web&amp;ots=qZMXHwi5ji&amp;sig=TdNMfGtPtUiQHmsn659aBUAsmQE&amp;hl=en#PPA104,M1" rel="nofollow">Voting in the Field</a>, 92-104.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, I&#039;m going to love this blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m going to love this blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-76</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 14:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as I know, Georgia was the first state to lower the voting age to 18 (1943).  I checked Michigan&#039;s first three constitutions (1835, 1850, 1908) and found that 21 was the age.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, Georgia was the first state to lower the voting age to 18 (1943).  I checked Michigan&#8217;s first three constitutions (1835, 1850, 1908) and found that 21 was the age.</p>
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		<title>By: Ardis E. Parshall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ardis E. Parshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 13:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The answer to both issues is: you didn’t go to law school!&lt;/em&gt;

Just one of the many reasons I hang on to friends like you and Nate Oman, Mark B.

Thanks for the history lesson. There&#039;s probably also a gospel lesson in there somewhere, about divine disapproval over our waiting to be commanded in all things. If I&#039;d stopped to think about it, I might have realized that woman suffrage was available locally and temporarily, but I didn&#039;t think to broaden that to race or age or other qualifications for voting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The answer to both issues is: you didn’t go to law school!</em></p>
<p>Just one of the many reasons I hang on to friends like you and Nate Oman, Mark B.</p>
<p>Thanks for the history lesson. There&#8217;s probably also a gospel lesson in there somewhere, about divine disapproval over our waiting to be commanded in all things. If I&#8217;d stopped to think about it, I might have realized that woman suffrage was available locally and temporarily, but I didn&#8217;t think to broaden that to race or age or other qualifications for voting.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 12:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks again for the post, Ardis. I don&#039;t know why I took your &quot;dregs&quot; comment so literally, but it resulted in an interesting experience.

For the past eight months I&#039;ve been posting the family histories from my files onto a blog so my extended family has access to them.

However, I&#039;ve recently been branching off into a different project since I just received a copy of an old diary that I&#039;ve been trying to locate for about 15 years. Consequently, I had forgotten that the families I mentioned in comment 6 are up to be posted next. They probably would have gotten a one page 30 minute treatment some Sunday. However, another kind reader of your blog provided me with a copy of a family history that will allow a better work up of these ancestors. Someone evidently wanted to be remembered.

Thanks for making this connection possible!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again for the post, Ardis. I don&#8217;t know why I took your &#8220;dregs&#8221; comment so literally, but it resulted in an interesting experience.</p>
<p>For the past eight months I&#8217;ve been posting the family histories from my files onto a blog so my extended family has access to them.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;ve recently been branching off into a different project since I just received a copy of an old diary that I&#8217;ve been trying to locate for about 15 years. Consequently, I had forgotten that the families I mentioned in comment 6 are up to be posted next. They probably would have gotten a one page 30 minute treatment some Sunday. However, another kind reader of your blog provided me with a copy of a family history that will allow a better work up of these ancestors. Someone evidently wanted to be remembered.</p>
<p>Thanks for making this connection possible!</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob F</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-71</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark - You&#039;re right, Sutherland himself was possibly never a Mormon. According to 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/from_war_to_war/georgesutherland.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt; his father was a new convert who renounced the faith soon after arriving in Utah, and Sutherland was raised a non-Mormon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark &#8211; You&#8217;re right, Sutherland himself was possibly never a Mormon. According to<br />
<a href="http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/from_war_to_war/georgesutherland.html" rel="nofollow">this article</a> his father was a new convert who renounced the faith soon after arriving in Utah, and Sutherland was raised a non-Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark B.</title>
		<link>http://www.keepapitchinin.org/2008/05/08/two-little-english-boys/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 00:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should amend that first line:

One quick and one long-winded note.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should amend that first line:</p>
<p>One quick and one long-winded note.</p>
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